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zman419 04-15-2013 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1307449)
No diss on you personally i just don't like metal that much..

i like S.O.A.D, The Deftones, Rammstein but in all honesty idk even know in what metal sub genres they fall on. lol
Just for curiosty sake, what else do you like?

Black Francis 04-15-2013 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by zman419 (Post 1307458)
Just for curiosty sake, what else do you like?
Metal wise you mean?

zman419 04-15-2013 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1307459)
Metal wise you mean?
Nah,just in general, because you said you don't like metal all that much

Black Francis 04-15-2013 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by zman419 (Post 1307464)
Nah,just in general, because you said you don't like metal all that much
Well my genre of choice is Alternative but i like alot of bands from different genres

my absolute favourite bands are:

The Pixies
Sonic youth
Deerhoof
Of montreal
Guided by voices

When it comes metal bands i only like a few
apart from the ones i already mentioned i also like Slipknot, early Korn, Tool and Chavelle

oh, and Alice in chains. idk if that's metal or not but it's disturbing enough lol

Scarlett O'Hara 04-16-2013 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1307449)
No diss on you personally i just don't like metal that much..

i like S.O.A.D, The Deftones, Rammstein but in all honesty idk even know in what metal sub genres they fall on. lol
Nu-metal.

zman419 04-16-2013 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1307546)
Nu-metal.
whats wrong with nu-metal, I'm into some nu-metal bands (like system of a down, disturbed, etc.)

djchameleon 04-16-2013 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by zman419 (Post 1307581)
whats wrong with nu-metal, I'm into some nu-metal bands (like system of a down, disturbed, etc.)
It's funny that just the mere mention of the genre name sends you into defensive mode.

Isbjørn 04-16-2013 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by zman419 (Post 1307581)
whats wrong with nu-metal, I'm into some nu-metal bands (like system of a down, disturbed, etc.)
Geez, he only mentioned it! xD

The Batlord 04-16-2013 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1307474)
oh, and Alice in chains. idk if that's metal or not but it's disturbing enough lol
Definitely a metal band. The name Alice In Chains was originally meant to be the name of a hair band for god's sake.

zman419 04-16-2013 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1307590)
It's funny that just the mere mention of the genre name sends you into defensive mode.
Well the genre is **** on more than metalcore, I shouldn't jump to conclusions like that I guess

zman419 04-16-2013 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1307450)
No worries, I wouldn't take offense to someone not liking that type of music, or take it as an attack on my being. I am old enough to know better.

It is understandable, it is not a style for everyone. Though usually I think it comes down more to the vocals. Sure if someone made strictly instrumental music in the style, maybe more people would at least see what goes into it.

I always look for instrumental Death Metal for that reason, but seems like it is few and far between. A few I have found here and there (not counting lil acoustic interludes/intros and the like - just thinking tracks that are strictly more Death Metal, just without vocals)

This is the best example I have found:

That's actually pretty awesome

Scarlett O'Hara 04-16-2013 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by zman419 (Post 1307581)
whats wrong with nu-metal, I'm into some nu-metal bands (like system of a down, disturbed, etc.)
I'm going to pretend I didn't see this.

zman419 04-16-2013 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1307784)
I'm going to pretend I didn't see this.
Whatever man, you don't like nu-metal and I do,
to each their own

Black Francis 04-17-2013 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by zman419 (Post 1307805)
Whatever man, you don't like nu-metal and I do,
to each their own
No offence man but she never said she didn't like Nu-metal or anything bad about it..

she literally just said "Nu-metal" the context was filled out by you

Scarlett O'Hara 04-17-2013 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by zman419 (Post 1307805)
Whatever man, you don't like nu-metal and I do,
to each their own
What a n00b.

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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1307932)
No offence man but she never said she didn't like Nu-metal or anything bad about it..

she literally just said "Nu-metal" the context was filled out by you
Exactly this.

adamosmaki 04-22-2013 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1307546)
Nu-metal.
I dont think Rammstein or System are nu metal. They have some elements that you can call nu-metal but they are as far from nu-metal as Pantera are ( again a few elements nu-metal bands borrowed from them but completely different genre )

Scarlett O'Hara 04-24-2013 08:45 AM
List of nu metal bands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just so you can see SOAD is on it. Rammstein isn't I agree but the other bands that were mentioned are.

BastardofYoung 04-24-2013 09:40 AM
System usually get lumped into the Nu Metal thing cause of their early demos, which did have a more nu-metal sound to them.

Can hear it more on songs like this:

hip hop bunny hop 04-24-2013 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1307450)
I always look for instrumental Death Metal for that reason, but seems like it is few and far between. A few I have found here and there (not counting lil acoustic interludes/intros and the like - just thinking tracks that are strictly more Death Metal, just without vocals)
Daniel Corchado from The Chasm commented that the reason half the tracks from "Farseeing the Paranormal Abysm" were instrumental was because he was in his forties and thought the growl was ridiculous. I mention this because it wouldn't surprise me if this sentiment becomes more common as death metal musicians age, and if vocalists cease making such extensive use of the technique due to the long term effects of using it constantly.

FRED HALE SR. 04-24-2013 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1310812)
Daniel Corchado from The Chasm commented that the reason half the tracks from "Farseeing the Paranormal Abysm" were instrumental was because he was in his forties and thought the growl was ridiculous. I mention this because it wouldn't surprise me if this sentiment becomes more common as death metal musicians age, and if vocalists cease making such extensive use of the technique due to the long term effects of using it constantly.

I could certainly see that happening. There are times when i grow embarassed for an act i'm listening to. Often times it comes across forced and unnecessary. I like the feral sound of most black metal, but the vocals can be a game changer at times. I'm sure the extensive use can blowout vocalists voices also which causes them to move onto other forms of singing.

The Batlord 04-24-2013 10:35 AM
Just look at George Fisher. Dude sounds like he has a cold all the time.

hip hop bunny hop 04-24-2013 11:09 AM
I really wouldn't be surprised to find some former vocalist of a **** death band go on to make use of Tom Waits-esque gravely voice in the alternative music scene.

The Batlord 04-25-2013 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1310887)
I really wouldn't be surprised to find some former vocalist of a **** death band go on to make use of Tom Waits-esque gravely voice in the alternative music scene.
Well, I kinda would, but it'd be an amusing novelty though.

adamosmaki 04-25-2013 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1310762)

Just so you can see SOAD is on it. Rammstein isn't I agree but the other bands that were mentioned are.
if we are going by wikipedia this is what says about SOAD
Alternative metal, progressive rock, hard rock, experimental
Like i said they have some elements from nu-metal but they are as far from nu-metal as someone like Pantera and Rammstein are.

Isbjørn 04-25-2013 01:07 PM
But then again, Pantera started playing before the nu metal movement officially started, and long before it got popular. Rammstein's Wikipedia article says they're Neue Deutsche Härte and industrial metal, and both their last.fm and allmusic profile testify, so I guess I'll stick to that.
I guess we shouldn't follow the nu metal list blindly, either, as Marilyn Manson, Sum 41 and Rage Against the Machine is on it, too. Wikipedia isn't known to be reliable, and a lot of the bands on the list are there because they have one album, or even only one song with a nu metal touch.

Scarlett O'Hara 04-25-2013 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Briks (Post 1311379)
But then again, Pantera started playing before the nu metal movement officially started, and long before it got popular. Rammstein's Wikipedia article says they're Neue Deutsche Härte and industrial metal, and both their last.fm and allmusic profile testify, so I guess I'll stick to that.
I guess we shouldn't follow the nu metal list blindly, either, as Marilyn Manson, Sum 41 and Rage Against the Machine is on it, too. Wikipedia isn't known to be reliable, and a lot of the bands on the list are there because they have one album, or even only one song with a nu metal touch.
That is a very good point. But SOAD is well known to have Nu Metal influences.

Newkie 04-25-2013 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1310792)
System usually get lumped into the Nu Metal thing cause of their early demos, which did have a more nu-metal sound to them.

Can hear it more on songs like this:
I think if you count those demos then you could definitely make a case for songs on their debut as well, or at least that's how it seemed to my young and untrained (still the case) genre ears.


System Of A Down - Soil #07 - YouTube

So i'd probably agree with Vanilla. I don't see it as a problem though, I don't see why people are worried if bands they like are/aren't included in a sub genre.


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