Can we stop the genre wars?
 

Power metal vs. Thrash Metal
Death metal vs. Progressive metal
Metalcore vs. everything else
Can we ****ing stop this?
There's only 2 genres of music that matter
music you like
and music you don't like
On my ipod I have everything from Dream Theater to Cannibal Corpse to Bring me the Horizon to Cage the Elephant. Just because one genre of metal isn't as musically demanding as another doesn't mean it's not a good genre. I mean As I Lay Dying, The Fall of Troy an All That Remains are PERFECT examples of talented metalcore bands, helll why aren't the classified as just metal in the first place.
Look my point is, just stop....

Genre debates may be rampant on metal-archives or other music sites with more narrow focuses, but there generally aren't such thick-headed debates here (that I've seen), especially since most of the old hardcore and emo crowd picked up and left. We're relatively eclectic as a whole.
So, uh, welcome to MB! :)

I just went back 5 pages in this sub forum and found nothing of the sort. Sure there will be the odd errant post here and there about what particular genre a band falls under, but you'll be hard pressed to find the typical Ultimate-Guitar forum post of "Rarrggghhhh folk metal is teh ghey"

ya, but folk metal is teh gay.

Seriously though, metal kids do this to themselves and trying to appeal to them is impossible unless you're a 6'7 viking with a severed head around your neck.

Sadly i don't think you can stop it..

some ppl will always claim to have a superior taste in music than you

I think it's stupid.

If you don't put the music you like into little genre boxes then how will you find more of similar tunes you like?

Also, The wars MUST continue to protect our vested interest in genre oil.

Exactly, genre's are kind of like the Dewey decimal system for music,useful for narrowing down the search for something unknown, and that's it.

Your Ipod needs a lot more genres if you are going to bitch about sub genres.
I agree that many sub genres are pointless and are there for hipsters but personally that is still a very limited amount of music for me.

Well I kind of did a tip of the iceberg type thing
on my ipod I have, post-hardcore, metalcore, deathcore, "pirate metal" (if you'll count that as a sub genre), hardcore punk, "normal"punk, power metal, thrash metal, hard rock, death metal, rap, electronic, folk metal, progressive metal, progressive rock, alternative rock, gothic metal, nu metal, electro metal, pop-punk, "djent" and even psycobilly.
I think I'm pretty varied.

I do agree with him Metal has too many sub-genres

It is varied within the Metal community I will give you that. I think I will leave the convo right here.

there will be always people wo want to make an contest of anything even gernes

Genres have ups and downs. I listen to hip-hop as well as heavy metal, blues rock as well as punk rock. Fighting over what genres are the best is impossible a lot of the time (unless if it is nu metal versus heavy metal, that's not even a fair match).

Why does it matter if one band nu metal and another heavy metal
why can't we just call it all just metal.

Because than someone like I, who likes some power or speed metal would have a very hard time finding the stuff I like in just one genre that now exists. Please don't put black metal in with that. Subgenres really are needed.

Please don't be such meat head, this like asking to call all shades of green, green. Sure you'd still have all the greens, but good luck asking for the shade you like.

I suppose
still, I feel like all genres of metal should at least be RESPECTED. So what metalcore usually isn't as musically demanding as power metal and maybe you prefer i band like angra or cryonic temple to Bring me the horizon or asking alexiandria you should at least let other people enjoy them insted of saying "they're so gehy all you stupid little emo***s listeing to chugchugchugchugchug on the guitar lulz"

Sounds like you have been hanging around too many high school aged kids. I haven't heard someone call any form of music ghey or for emo's since I got out. Though, I do suppose that also depends on who you surround yourself with in the first place.

I dunno man, it's just i find myself liking a little bit of everything (except country, but I respect it), and it pisses me off when 80's metal elitests are like "stupid scene emo kids and their ****ty screamoz, lul i luv iron maiden"

Well there will always be people who have a closed mind to genres they dislike, what is important is that you like it and listen to it. Keep listening to what you like and don't worry about what others might think about it.

Best thread on MB. Would read again.

Who gives a ****? No, really, who gives a **** what you classify your music as.

I think grunge is the most bs genre term ever, but I still use it to describe Nirvana, AIC, etc.

Tbh, it's not significant enough an issue, when I'm talking to friends about music, I don't think I ever mention genres.

Still one genre, not that varied. I can listen to didgeridoos or The Beatles or Bob Dylan. I think that is more varied than what you listen to, no offense just being honest here. Sometime I can go from listening to Polkas to Electronica, but I can't go from listening to Electronica to listening to Polkas, it's kinda like brushing your teeth and then drinking ice tea - it kinda messes up the taste buds.

ok I hope you don't mind I made an outline of the things you have on your i-pod, to show it is basically one genre with sub-genres and many sub-sub-genres I thought a Venn diagram would work better, or a flow chart like Sam Dunn but I ain't got time for that.

• Popular Music:
  • [Rock and Roll]
    • rap
    • electronic
    • [Rock]
      • hard rock
      • progressive rock
      • alternative rock
      • [Punk Rock]
        • "normal"punk
        • Pop-Punk
        • hardcore punk
        • post-Hardcore
      • Heavy Metal
        • metalcore
        • deathcore
        • "pirate metal"
        • power metal
        • thrash metal
        • death metal
        • gothic metal
        • nu metal
        • electro metal
        • folk metal
        • progressive metal
          • djent
        • gothic metal
        • nu metal
        • electro metal

I've seen some musicologist file hip hop music and Electronica under Rock and Roll. I don't see them being properly classified under Rock and Roll (but since people here like to make issue over small stuff) I thought I'd defer what I've seen others classify them as.

My opinion is since instrumentation if very different in hip hop music and Electronica to Rock music then it should be a genre out-side of Rock and Roll.

I really appreciate the context of sub-genres, it helps me look for more types of sound that I like and grab more of it. I can still remain open minded while doing so by not restricting which forums I read.

I'm an obsessive sub-genre nut, even though at times I'm not always sure which sub-genre an album should go into. But as said above it does help me to enjoy the music better, by giving me extra things to look for in the music.

Maybe I'm a little to guilty for having a hard on for metal and my tastes are't as varied as I thouht they were, though genres like polka are a little to....... hard to listen to for me. Though I respect it, I respect pretty much every artist (cept some of the top 40 artists, a lot of them are *******s)

How about we stop with Anti-Sub-Genre threads? We get at least one a month and I wonder why anyone even cares anymore.

i also heard of "Sludge Metal" lol

i honestly think that Metal doesn't need that many sub-genres
it seems like a way to be more special than the rest

you could do the same thing with punk and call some bands "Political punk" or "Slow punk" or "Story punk" (that would be punk while narrating a story)

i do agree these Sub genre serve as a reference, but new ones keep popping up and ppl keep using them as a way to feel more special than the rest

"You moron that's not death metal that's goth metal"

"But they both sound the same to me"

"Well that's cause you're stupid >_>"

There's a pretty appreciable difference between a band like Type O Negative and Cannibal Corpse that even the most ignorant person would have trouble denying, and that's where genre labels come in handy. It's when people start compartmentalizing subgenres that it gets a little taxing, or when people start creating their own genres based on the subject matter of the lyrics, like "Pirate metal" or "Love metal". Sorry, one of those is power metal with fantasy lyrics replaced with songs about pirates, and the other is a pussified version of gothic metal.

Yeah, sub-genres do come in handy when trying to get into a style of music with different off shoots.

I couldn't imagine having to get into styles within a genre without some sort of labeling.

The idea of these sub-genres is a good one. I am guessing the OP just meant people should stop fighting when it comes to what sub-style is better?

That basically what I meant. I will admit I do enjoy metalcore and deathcore and it pisses me off to no end when "real" metalheads bash those genres and make their fans feel like they're wrong for enjoying it.

Yeah, this wasn't just born out of fans, scenes themselves had it. Look at Norway and the Black Metal scene, and the competition (sometimes violent) between the Black Metal crowd and the Death Metal crowd. Was pretty much considered poseur to like Death Metal in that scene. Even bands like Darkthrone would be treated as poseurs cause they started out as a Death Metal band.

It is silly, but it has been a factor in metal for a very long time.

Honestly what classifies something as "black metal"
it seems to be that black metal is just death metal from Europe, that being said I've never really listened to it so I wouldn't know

I've noticed this strange affliction that seem to be prominent in metal.

Whenever anybody describes something as 'insert name here' metal. It's always a pile of shit.

and sometimes the difference between that new made up genre of metal and metal genres that already exist is so small and insignificant that it really doesn't deserve a whole new genre to define it..

and honestly, i got nothing against metal heads that want it this way but where does it stop?

Where do you f*ckin draw the line? this is getting ridiculous..

Black Metal:

Black metal is an extreme subgenre of heavy metal music. Common traits include fast tempos, shrieked vocals, highly distorted guitars played with tremolo picking, blast beat drumming, raw (lo-fi) recording and unconventional song structures.


Death Metal:

Death metal is an extreme subgenre of heavy metal music. It typically employs heavily distorted guitars, tremolo picking, deep growling vocals, blast beat drumming, minor keys or atonality, and complex song structures with multiple tempo changes.

To me there's not much of a difference between the two, they both sound horrible :p:

yeah, everyone's a critic.

No diss on you personally i just don't like metal that much..

i like S.O.A.D, The Deftones, Rammstein but in all honesty idk even know in what metal sub genres they fall on. lol

No worries, I wouldn't take offense to someone not liking that type of music, or take it as an attack on my being. I am old enough to know better.

It is understandable, it is not a style for everyone. Though usually I think it comes down more to the vocals. Sure if someone made strictly instrumental music in the style, maybe more people would at least see what goes into it.

I always look for instrumental Death Metal for that reason, but seems like it is few and far between. A few I have found here and there (not counting lil acoustic interludes/intros and the like - just thinking tracks that are strictly more Death Metal, just without vocals)

This is the best example I have found: