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Old 05-02-2013, 02:08 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I was very pleasantly surprised
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:15 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I did say that Butler's lyrics had always been confined to a few choice themes...and on that note, what exactly do you want Ozzy to sing about? It's the metal community that has made it so Sabbath could never write another 'Sabbra Cadabra' or 'Planet Caravan'. It's become so nostalgic that Sabbath are now an archetype. If they wrote 'feel so happy since I met that girl, when we're making love its simply out of this world" they'd be panned by fans as turning queer and becoming a pop band. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Metal fans have made it that way
I'm not complaining about the subject matter, I'm complaining about the quality of the lyrics. They rhyme "gloom" with "tomb", and if that isn't bad enough they have the temerity to then rhyme these with "doom". A third grader could write better lyrics than that. It just screams, "Yeah, I don't really give a ****, but I have bills to pay and an ex-wife breathing down my neck."
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Old 05-04-2013, 02:03 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I'm not complaining about the subject matter, I'm complaining about the quality of the lyrics. They rhyme "gloom" with "tomb", and if that isn't bad enough they have the temerity to then rhyme these with "doom". A third grader could write better lyrics than that. It just screams, "Yeah, I don't really give a ****, but I have bills to pay and an ex-wife breathing down my neck."
In War Pigs they rhymed 'masses' with 'masses'.....
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I, for one, expected that so many years later, the writing and guitar playing would have advanced. I would have been much more supportive if I had known that this came out back in the day.
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Oh, and I forgot to mention ... Rick Rubin is the king of rock production. That is all.
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In War Pigs they rhymed 'masses' with 'masses'.....
I'm sorry but...

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They may never have been poets, but now they're not even trying.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:01 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I don't really understand the hype about Rick Rubin's production.
All he does is get over the hill artists to try to do what made them good in the first place & everybody hails the guy as a musical genius.

Hell I could do that if you gave me the chance.
Lock me in a studio with Stevie Wonder. I'll slap him around a bit & use a few racial slurs to get him as angry as he was in the early 70s, grab him hard by the nuts & ask him if he still has anything left in there.

I swear after a few months of that he won't feel like singing Ebony & Ivory or I Just Called To Say I Love You.
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I don't really understand the hype about Rick Rubin's production.
All he does is get over the hill artists to try to do what made them good in the first place & everybody hails the guy as a musical genius.

Hell I could do that if you gave me the chance.
Lock me in a studio with Stevie Wonder. I'll slap him around a bit & use a few racial slurs to get him as angry as he was in the early 70s, grab him hard by the nuts & ask him if he still has anything left in there.

I swear after a few months of that he won't feel like singing Ebony & Ivory or I Just Called To Say I Love You.
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I'm not complaining about the subject matter, I'm complaining about the quality of the lyrics. They rhyme "gloom" with "tomb", and if that isn't bad enough they have the temerity to then rhyme these with "doom". A third grader could write better lyrics than that. It just screams, "Yeah, I don't really give a ****, but I have bills to pay and an ex-wife breathing down my neck."
If rhythmic structure counts, then gloom, tomb, and doom all rhyme I bet it does scream

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Everyone's a critic, but hey they really respect your talent.
Have your manager call my manager, and we'll make records together.
At this level of success in entertainment, there are certain connotations.
It's a "you give we take" relation.
No the kids wouldn't understand it.
Come on now, how long do think this is really gonna last?
How long can you hold their attention before they move on to the next band?
On the inside.
On the inside.
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Do you wanna know how it feels on the inside?
On the inside.
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Coordinate the marketing, label, publicity, touring.
Consult on, timing and presentation.
Go ahead put this in context.
It's 3 points on production, 15% to management,
10% to the agent, 5% to legal representation.
We call it our insurance plan to stretch the inevitable as far as we can.
Gotta make your money while you got the chance,
do whatever it takes to sell it.

On the inside.
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On the inside.
Do you wanna know how it feels on the inside?
On the inside.
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On the inside.
Do you wanna know how it feels on the inside?
(Let's go)
Just how desperate can we be?
Go buy our record and see.
Just how angry can we seem?
Go buy our record and see.
Just how ****ed up can it get?
Go buy our record and see.
Just how much can we bleed?
We're completely irrelevant on LP and compact disc.

On the inside.
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On the inside.
Do you wanna know how it feels on the inside?
On the inside.
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Do you wanna know how it feels on the inside?
On the inside.
On the inside.
On the inside.
Do you wanna know how it feels on the inside?
On the inside.
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On the inside.
Do you wanna know how it feels on the inside?

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Old 05-07-2013, 06:24 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Just a load of cliches over a shit melody.
Kind of ironic as they created the cliches in the first place!

The middle section is killer and let's not forget that for anyone under 35 that's your grandfather banging out that sound and how cool would that be?

Put into context though there are two main problems with the track, Bill Ward is missing. The guy somehow played his drum tracks behind the main riff and not along with it and his drum sound is definitely missing. The drum track is far too clean. Ward's snare sound almost sounded like a bass drum at times and that heavy thud is sorely missed. However, a band that is well over 40 years old making a decent stab of it is something to be commended and if they deviated massively from their sound there would be a lot more fans crying sell out or hating them for trying something new so they they are oddly in a lose lose situation.

I would still rather hear this than the latest Rolling Stones album and it's OK for them to churn out 6th hand Blues riffs and demand £250 for a ticket when they play live.

Bring back Bill Ward and simplify the production and Sabbath can still knock your socks off (I Hope!)
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