Metal Month II is coming...

Unknown Soldier · 09-21-2014, 04:16 AM

Try Night Sun Mournin' pretty mind-blowing for 1972.

Trollheart · 09-21-2014, 05:13 AM

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"Tricking"? When did I ever give the impression that I wanted to do anything other than torture you by recommending Cryptopsy? I was very open about trolling you. You have no one to blame but yourself.

So, I haven't heard you say whether or not you liked it.

Nor will you. As I said at the beginning, I'll take the suggestions and listen to and review them, and post an updated list as I do, but I won't mention what I thought of them until they're published. So you'll have to wait in suspense to see what I thought of your nightmarish Cryptopsy!

(Hint: I'd rather cut my head off with a blunt spoon than listen to them again. Or watch back-to-back seasons of the X Factor...)

Wpnfire · 09-21-2014, 08:50 PM

You should do pantera's FIRST albums, like before they were groove. I doubt people have done those before.

Trollheart · 09-22-2014, 03:05 AM

Okay, which would you suggest? I know nothing really of Pantera beyond "Cowboys from Hell"?

Isbjørn · 09-22-2014, 07:05 AM

Listen to Metal Magic. "Ride My Rocket" is the greatest 80s rock anthem.

The Batlord · 09-22-2014, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Okay, which would you suggest? I know nothing really of Pantera beyond "Cowboys from Hell"?

I've never listened to early Pantera, but I hear they were closer to Van Halen than... Pantera. So, I don't imagine you have to worry about your ears bleeding. On that note, you should probably stay away from Far Beyond Driven and The Great Southern Trendkill. They're about as close to death metal-brutal as non-extreme metal gets. This is me being honest and not trolly BTW.

I was also serious about you listening to the Chasm. Whether or not you review it for your journal, I would be curious to see how you felt about death metal with no vocals. I've taken the liberty of collecting the non-vocal songs from that album I mentioned. They're a death metal band, so they're not exactly easy listening, but they're also not nearly as abrasive as Cryptopsy, and actually let some honest-to-dog melody into their music. I might say they're even proggy if I were qualified to call something proggy.

Spoiler for death to the metal:

Unknown Soldier · 09-22-2014, 08:40 AM

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Okay, which would you suggest? I know nothing really of Pantera beyond "Cowboys from Hell"?

Of the first four albums the only one really worth it is Power Metal (nothing to with power metal btw) and shows in places the sound that they would become famous for. But its all the studio albums after that were the band clicked.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I've never listened to early Pantera, but I hear they're closer to Van Halen than... Pantera. So, I don't imagine you have to worry about your ears bleeding. On that note, you should probably stay away from Far Beyond Driven and The Great Southern Trendkill. They're about as close to death metal-brutal as non-extreme metal gets. This is me being honest and not trolly BTW.

I always thought that groove metal was an extreme metal sub-genre, or don't you think it is?

The Batlord · 09-22-2014, 09:02 AM

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I always thought that groove metal was an extreme metal sub-genre, or don't you think it is?

For me to call a genre extreme metal there has to be a general consensus that all of the bands in the genre must play extreme metal. Like, I wouldn't call thrash metal an extreme metal genre, since much of it was made up of bands like Anthrax, Annihilator, Metallica, etc, even though bands like Slayer and Kreator would qualify (I'd use "extreme thrash" to make the distinction.) But, for the most part, any death metal or black metal band is at least encouraged to play extreme metal. Many bands experiment with non-extreme metal forms of music, and some even dispense with extreme metal altogether at times, but as a status quo, those genres are explicitly concerned with being "extreme", rather than potentially less hardline concepts like "aggressive" or "hard" or "fast" or whatever.

Groove metal bands in general are more of the thrash metal mindset, where they're "badass", but aren't necessarily out to actually be extreme metal. So I'd consider the bands at the heavier end of the spectrum, like Pantera and Machine Head, to be flirting with extreme metal, even though their music might actually be more extreme than many actual extreme metal bands (Although I sometimes go back and forth with those two bands, depending which albums we're talking about.) A vague distinction perhaps, but it makes sense in my mind. Lamb of God though, at least their first two albums, I'd definitely consider extreme metal, since they were obviously going for extreme. I wouldn't be surprised if they played a few blast beats back in their early early days.

**Janszoon** · 09-22-2014, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

For me to call a genre extreme metal there has to be a general consensus that all of the bands in the genre must play extreme metal. Like, I wouldn't call thrash metal an extreme metal genre, since much of it was made up of bands like Anthrax, Annihilator, Metallica, etc, even though bands like Slayer and Kreator would qualify (I'd use "extreme thrash" to make the distinction.) But, for the most part, any death metal or black metal band is at least encouraged to play extreme metal. Many bands experiment with non-extreme metal forms of music, and some even dispense with extreme metal altogether at times, but as a status quo, those genres are explicitly concerned with being "extreme", rather than potentially less hardline concepts like "aggressive" or "hard" or "fast" or whatever.

Groove metal bands in general are more of the thrash metal mindset, where they're "badass", but aren't necessarily out to actually be extreme metal. So I'd consider the bands at the heavier end of the spectrum, like Pantera and Machine Head, to be flirting with extreme metal, even though their music might actually be more extreme than many actual extreme metal bands (Although I sometimes go back and forth with those two bands, depending which albums we're talking about.) A vague distinction perhaps, but it makes sense in my mind. Lamb of God though, at least their first two albums, I'd definitely consider extreme metal, since they were obviously going for extreme. I wouldn't be surprised if they played a few blast beats back in their early early days.

To be extreme metal, a band must be fronted by Gary Cherone.

Wpnfire · 09-22-2014, 11:44 AM

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Listen to Metal Magic. "Ride My Rocket" is the greatest 80s rock anthem.

Ride my Rocket? Hahaha, is that seriously the name of a song?

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