Music Banter - Gavin Rossdale

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 1495604)

Hey now, why can't we just keep everything zen?

I agree, let's not squabble over the little things and instead swallow some glycerine and hope we don't comedown.

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1495547)

Who the fvck is Bush? Who the fvck is Gavin Rossdale and why does his name sound so stupid?

Kurt was a great guitarist. He definitely stole a few things here and there but he wrote great riffs and melodies. He was just too ****ed up to play them right. He was punk rock to the end. Horrible personality a lot of the time though, he comes off as a real elitist prick sometimes.

/debate over

Pretty much this.

I do not think of Cobain as a sloppy guitar player. He wrote some pretty brilliantly simple guitar parts for all of his songs and went all over the place genre wise like the noisy "Radio Friendly Unit Shifter," the watery riff for, "Come As You Are," "Scentless Apprentice," etc., but he was more than capable of scaling down the guitar parts when he needed to.

I just wiki'd Gavin Rossdale just to see what was up concerning his personal life and career. And I see that he is married to Gwen Stefani and they have a couple of children. I was shocked to read that Rosedale and Marilyn Manson both admitted to having an affair for 5 years. Gavin Rossdale says it was just a part of growing up and he's past that point in his life now.

As for Kurt Cobain, he had an affair with drugs and Courtney Love and then committed suicide.

Of course, I don't let that affect my personal opinion, likes and dislikes, concerning their music pacifically. I personally liked both bands during the 90s for different reasons musically. I just don't listen to them very often these days.

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism (Post 1495532)

DISCLAIMER: I saw the Bush thread made back in 2009, but this isn't a Bush topic only so figured I'd just open its own thread.

So, essentially I don't want this to be so much a Gavin vs Kurt debate/and or discussion, so much as I just want this to be something to more or less talk about two very charismatic frontmen from an era in music that has a lot of nostalgia, or maybe a time in music that some of us here miss, as there were some great music or bands in general from that time of grunge music. But it likely will become just that, Gavin vs Kurt...

My opinion has always been that Gavin was the better frontman; better songwriter, had better control of his voice and better range, wasn't as sloppy of a guitar player, always seemed to have a more appealing stage presence in comparison to Kurt. Kurt was a damaged guy, had issues. To a lot of people that makes for a more interesting frontman. Under all that was just a mediocre guitar player, songwriter, singer, so on and so forth. I like Kurt, always have. But I've just never understood why people think he is so great. I've struggled with this since the first time I heard both bands and began forming my opinions on the two. But I always went back to who as a frontman I thought was better, Gavin or Kurt. And I always say it is Gavin.

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As a last thought. Bush wasn't this Nirvana rip off band that so many people thought they were. Nirvana wasn't the first grunge band, they were just the first to make it big and get critical acclaim. So it is easy for anyone to claim that any band that made it big after them that played the some genre of music, was a copycat band.

Only the most casual music listener would reach the above conclusion. A large number of grunge bands sounded quite different to one another. Bush are one of the few to sound like Nirvana.

I like some of Bush's songs but, come on man. There's only a handful of bands/artists that have defined an entire genre/snapshot in time in all of rock/pop music history.

Nirvana are as important as (NOT better than) The Beatles, The Stones, Led Zeppelin, The Ramones, The Sex Pistols, U2, Michael Jackson, and others in that elite stratosphere.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1499125)

Is this some kind of joke? Because Bush are one of the worst bands to have ever come out of the UK. Calling them a second rate Nirvana rip-off is being too kind really, as I've always seen them worse than that.

Only the most casual music listener would reach the above conclusion. A large number of grunge bands sounded quite different to one another. Bush are one of the few to sound like Nirvana.

I'm hardly a casual music listener. I don't need to convince you of that, but don't be one of those people that base someones taste in music around one artist or band that person happens to like.

You're talking like Bush are one of the worst bands in the history of music, which is hardly the case and they're also far from the worst band out of the UK. You could do much worse.

It's your opinion on them, I respect that. But I just don't agree with it. Did I mention I really like their new album Man On The Run? Hang me for saying it, I don't care.

@ Chula

Nirvana are an important band, I don't disagree there. But they're over-hyped, especially now.

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism (Post 1499390)

I'm hardly a casual music listener. I don't need to convince you of that, but don't be one of those people that base someones taste in music around one artist or band that person happens to like.

Casual music listener was used as a generalisation, I'm sure there are going to be some serious listeners that like Bush as well.

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It's your opinion on them, I respect that. But I just don't agree with it. Did I mention I really like their new album Man On The Run? Hang me for saying it, I don't care.

You're the one who started the thread looking for opinions, but it just so happens that nearly everybody here either thinks that Bush are pretty woeful or haven't even heard of them. So there's no need to sound surprised now when members make negative opinions about the band.

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Nirvana are an important band, I don't disagree there. But they're over-hyped, especially now.

Everybody knows this, so it doesn't need to be said. Every huge artist that died young from Morrison to Hendrix gets treated the same way and is over-hyped in some manner.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1499445)

Casual music listener was used as a generalisation, I'm sure there are going to be some serious listeners that like Bush as well.

You're the one who started the thread looking for opinions, but it just so happens that nearly everybody here either thinks that Bush are pretty woeful or haven't even heard of them. So there's no need to sound surprised now when members make negative opinions about the band.

Everybody knows this, so it doesn't need to be said. Every huge artist that died young from Morrison to Hendrix gets treated the same way and is over-hyped in some manner.

Well, I have never been surprised to see so many here dislike Bush. I just expected maybe a few to share my opinion. I'm fine with anyone here that have expressed there dislike in the band. Right now I sort of have a problem with you, simply because you're coming off real smug with how you're talking to me. It may all be that old issue with how reading text from someone is misinterpreted as negative or condescending, which is what you're sounding like to toward me. If I'm wrong about any of that, I apologize.

As for the matter of not saying things that everybody knows, I don't agree at all. If I want to express something that is common knowledge. I will do so. If you got a problem with that, well, you're just being silly.

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism (Post 1499721)

Well, I have never been surprised to see so many here dislike Bush. I just expected maybe a few to share my opinion.

Music forums like a lot of forums are quite specialized in that they’ll attract hardcore listeners who have listened to a huge and wide variety of music and between all of these listeners they’ve more of less covered everything out there and will usually disagree on what’s good etc. But one thing that they usually do have in common is what’s bad. Most serious listeners will agree that bands like Limp Bizkit, Nickelback, Creed and a band like Bush are crap bands that should be avoided, but that’s not to say that some serious music listeners won’t enjoy them. So you may dig out some Bush fans on here but don’t expect them to be flooding the thread.

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I'm fine with anyone here that have expressed there dislike in the band. Right now I sort of have a problem with you, simply because you're coming off real smug with how you're talking to me. It may all be that old issue with how reading text from someone is misinterpreted as negative or condescending, which is what you're sounding like to toward me. If I'm wrong about any of that, I apologize.

I am smug when it comes to music, you’ll find that on a lot of forums, just never take it personally. ;)

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As for the matter of not saying things that everybody knows, I don't agree at all. If I want to express something that is common knowledge. I will do so. If you got a problem with that, well, you're just being silly.

Sure you can do it, but it won’t work as evidence in court as everybody knows it already.