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HellCell 11-18-2014 12:19 AM

Easing off metal and listening to rock now.
 
My metal addiction for the last 3 years is finally subsiding, now I'm finding alternative rock (big genre) to really mesh with me

What I loved about metal was the instrumental richness and it's fantasticness. Theatrics as Wiki would describe it, is the perfect word. That's absolutely what made me freaking love it. It's like blasting a performance song after song.
Then turn on the radio and it's like lol..

A few days ago, I forgot my iphone so I turned on the radio. Needless to say, the pop, rap, r & b, country, and latin music stations did nothing for me, if not annoy me.
Then I went ahead and listened to the one I could tolerate, the alt/christian rock station and I enjoyed it much more than I thought. It's like metal, but the singing replaces the role of the lead guitar.
It's a whole new sensation, that you don't get from metal. I can describe it as more soul and spirit.
There's also a theme where it's like "Get up and fight". Which is invigorating.
Metal (at least what I typically listen to) felt more like "Kill them all" embued me with anger. Which felt energizing in it's own way, but the way it makes me want to channel that energy felt different.
Metal made me want to ravage a house down with a sledge hammer, whereas rock made me want to build a temple.

Trollheart 11-18-2014 03:27 AM

If you like stirring music, why not try prog rock? Instrumental passages, drama, power, great (often nonsensical) lyrics: it's all there. Then of course there's classical, if you haven't checked that out already. But for prog rock, assuming you haven't tried it before, have a listen to these:




CoNtrivedNiHilism 11-18-2014 03:40 AM

My question is if you are open to sum of the decent or good mainstream Rock groups there are.

Norg 11-18-2014 11:47 AM

Mutemath

Tomahawk

April March-Le Temps de l'amour

Umlaut

Silverchair... Prob one of the top 3 rock bands ever : )

Plankton 11-18-2014 02:24 PM

You need some Clutch:



They have lots of good ol' fashioned rock.

Carpe Mortem 11-18-2014 05:23 PM

^Seconding the Plankman, and the Trollman.

Also suggest checking out my desert rock thread.... Shameless promotion here.

HellCell 11-18-2014 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism (Post 1509696)
My question is if you are open to sum of the decent or good mainstream Rock groups there are.

I don't shut my doors just because the music is mainstream—I'm not one of those "kvlt metal heads."

I'll listen to anything, but it just needs to be palatable to me. In that regard I'm fairly defined. I've even compartmentalized several playlists based one a singular mood.

Let me demonstrate:

Established Playlists-
  • Black Rose- Gothic Metal/Rock playlist. Melancholy, Feminine, Romantic-esque
  • Carpathian- Low Fi Black Metal playlist. Desolate, eerie, scenic.
  • Dancefloor- Electronic/Pop/Dance playlist. Upbeat, party-like, Hip
  • Destruction of Earth- Mixed extreme metal (Death metal primarily, melodic death, black, thrash, and Hardcore varieties). Sound should be self-evident.
  • Heroes Unite - Power Metal. Self-evident.

Moods that have yet to work-
  • Gangster
  • Country, South sounding
  • Teeny Bopper
  • Girly, Boybandish
  • Old sound. 60s, 70s, 80s or Older

I got several more, but in this particular case with alternative rock and christian rock. They fall under Modern Spirit.
  • Modern Spirit - Invigorating, Zealous, Positive, Moreso masculine.

It helps if I can transmit a sample of my playlist.

HellCell 11-18-2014 05:37 PM

Here's an example of what I consider top tier songs from the following playlists. I love both enthusiastically. Same caliber, different moods.

Destruction of Earth:



Modern Spirit:


Plankton 11-18-2014 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Carpe Mortem (Post 1509908)
^Seconding the Plankman, and the Trollman.

Also suggest checking out my desert rock thread.... Shameless promotion here.

Haven't checked that out yet. I'm on it.

HellCell 11-18-2014 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1509695)
If you like stirring music, why not try prog rock? Instrumental passages, drama, power, great (often nonsensical) lyrics: it's all there. Then of course there's classical, if you haven't checked that out already. But for prog rock, assuming you haven't tried it before, have a listen to these:
  • Arena
  • Pendragon
  • Twelfth Night
  • Pallas

From my experience with prog rock, the only band I listen to that's conventionally prog rock would be dream theater.
Of that list, Pendragon did it for me. The other ones felt like it dragged on after 3 minutes.
Most of the songs I listen to are under 5 minutes.

Would it count as prog if I mentioned a few bands of mine that have long songs?
Wintersun, Nightwish, Epica, Summoning and Opera IX show up when I sort my songs by length and when I pick ones I rated high.

CoNtrivedNiHilism 11-19-2014 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HellCell (Post 1509911)
I don't shut my doors just because the music is mainstream—I'm not one of those "kvlt metal heads."

I'll listen to anything, but it just needs to be palatable to me. In that regard I'm fairly defined. I've even compartmentalized several playlists based one a singular mood.

Let me demonstrate:

Established Playlists-
  • Black Rose- Gothic Metal/Rock playlist. Melancholy, Feminine, Romantic-esque
  • Carpathian- Low Fi Black Metal playlist. Desolate, eerie, scenic.
  • Dancefloor- Electronic/Pop/Dance playlist. Upbeat, party-like, Hip
  • Destruction of Earth- Mixed extreme metal (Death metal primarily, melodic death, black, thrash, and Hardcore varieties). Sound should be self-evident.
  • Heroes Unite - Power Metal. Self-evident.

Moods that have yet to work-
  • Gangster
  • Country, South sounding
  • Teeny Bopper
  • Girly, Boybandish
  • Old sound. 60s, 70s, 80s or Older

I got several more, but in this particular case with alternative rock and christian rock. They fall under Modern Spirit.
  • Modern Spirit - Invigorating, Zealous, Positive, Moreso masculine.

It helps if I can transmit a sample of my playlist.

This will help me out big time with giving you recs for bands to check out. I've got a decent amount to send your way.

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Originally Posted by HellCell (Post 1509913)
Here's an example of what I consider top tier songs from the following playlists. I love both enthusiastically. Same caliber, different moods.

Destruction of Earth:



Modern Spirit:


Both good bands, and I don't believe in that whole thing that there are no good Chrisrian Rock or Metal bands out there, just because they're Christian and what they stand for; that's just dumb. TFK has plenty of good music, but my favorite Christian band would be Demon Hunter, used to be Skillet but the music they've put out recently is just too safe sounding. I also listen to a band called RED, you could call them a more palatable Linkin Park. And don't forget the veteran Christian group Stryper from the 80's, heck, Petra even.

The Batlord 11-19-2014 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism (Post 1510328)
This will help me out big time with giving you recs for bands to check out. I've got a decent amount to send your way.



Both good bands, and I don't believe in that whole thing that there are no good Chrisrian Rock or Metal bands out there, just because they're Christian and what they stand for; that's just dumb. TFK has plenty of good music, but my favorite Christian band would be Demon Hunter, used to be Skillet but the music they've put out recently is just too safe sounding. I also listen to a band called RED, you could call them a more palatable Linkin Park. And don't forget the veteran Christian group Stryper from the 80's, heck, Petra even.

The Batlord's Obligatory Recommendation for Warlord, the Greatest Christian Metal Band In History



CoNtrivedNiHilism 11-19-2014 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1510330)
The Batlord's Obligatory Recommendation for Warlord, the Greatest Christian Metal Band In History



I'll check that out when I get home, too. Don't forget the veteran Christian Metal band Living Sacrifice, Batlord. Also a good one.

HellCell 11-19-2014 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism (Post 1510328)
This will help me out big time with giving you recs for bands to check out. I've got a decent amount to send your way.

Both good bands, and I don't believe in that whole thing that there are no good Chrisrian Rock or Metal bands out there, just because they're Christian and what they stand for; that's just dumb. TFK has plenty of good music, but my favorite Christian band would be Demon Hunter, used to be Skillet but the music they've put out recently is just too safe sounding. I also listen to a band called RED, you could call them a more palatable Linkin Park. And don't forget the veteran Christian group Stryper from the 80's, heck, Petra even.

Wow, you're opinion is startlingly similar to mine! Usually there's a margin of error even between similar minded opinions, but you almost got it picture perfect with how I think.

Demon Hunter is fantastic! They are really good, but as far as favorites it's too soon to decide. Skillet does sound safe and pop rockish, I could never rate a song more than 3 from them.
I know Red and it's like a cross between Breaking Benjamin and Linkin Park. Moreso Breakin Benjamin which is good, cause for some reason Linkin Park's songs get stale kinda fast—Case in point when I first listened to Linkin Park around 2005, I gave each a rating 4 to 5. Now most of them dropped to 2 and 3, but the best ones retained a 4 (or rather mildly degraded from 5).
As for the 80s, I'll give it a shot, but if it sounds like hair metal then I'm like nope.



I just wanna throw this song out there, my favorite so far from them.

CoNtrivedNiHilism 11-20-2014 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HellCell (Post 1510340)
Wow, you're opinion is startlingly similar to mine! Usually there's a margin of error even between similar minded opinions, but you almost got it picture perfect with how I think.

Demon Hunter is fantastic! They are really good, but as far as favorites it's too soon to decide. Skillet does sound safe and pop rockish, I could never rate a song more than 3 from them.
I know Red and it's like a cross between Breaking Benjamin and Linkin Park. Moreso Breakin Benjamin which is good, cause for some reason Linkin Park's songs get stale kinda fast—Case in point when I first listened to Linkin Park around 2005, I gave each a rating 4 to 5. Now most of them dropped to 2 and 3, but the best ones retained a 4 (or rather mildly degraded from 5).
As for the 80s, I'll give it a shot, but if it sounds like hair metal then I'm like nope.



I just wanna throw this song out there, my favorite so far from them.

Truth be known, I was pretty disappointed with Release the Panic, it was like a really rushed Linkin Park album with a horrible arrangement as far as how the songs were placed on the album; extremely inconsistent, and completely lacking pretty much any of the depth of their previous albums. RED is a pretty good group for mainstream, but Release the Panic was a big let down. Thankfully, the new album they are working on sounds huge and the orchestral influence is back full force. I hope it won't let me down.

Are you open to recs from bands back in the early 2000's as well as new bands too, mainstream?

This is one of my favorite groups from the really early 2000's, the album this song is from is a really solid record; has its nu-metal influences, but I always considered it more of a heavy hard rock album with metal tendencies. The sound quality on some of these tracks aren't too great with how they were uploaded to YouTube, but I think you can find to appreciate how thick the bass is, and how the guitarist effortlessly blends in tasteful lead with his rythmn, he's the only guitarist. The drummer is a respected guy, Mike Johnston. Excellent drummer.






Carpe Mortem 11-20-2014 11:05 AM

Trouble's s/t is basically Christian metal, and one of my favorite albums of all time, give it a listen.

HellCell 11-20-2014 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism (Post 1510350)
Truth be known, I was pretty disappointed with Release the Panic, it was like a really rushed Linkin Park album with a horrible arrangement as far as how the songs were placed on the album; extremely inconsistent, and completely lacking pretty much any of the depth of their previous albums. RED is a pretty good group for mainstream, but Release the Panic was a big let down. Thankfully, the new album they are working on sounds huge and the orchestral influence is back full force. I hope it won't let me down.

Haven't heard the full album, but that doesn't stop me from liking this particular song. I'll check it out, but I doubt I'll dislike it the way you do.


Quote:

Are you open to recs from bands back in the early 2000's as well as new bands too, mainstream?

This is one of my favorite groups from the really early 2000's, the album this song is from is a really solid record; has its nu-metal influences, but I always considered it more of a heavy hard rock album with metal tendencies. The sound quality on some of these tracks aren't too great with how they were uploaded to YouTube, but I think you can find to appreciate how thick the bass is, and how the guitarist effortlessly blends in tasteful lead with his rythmn, he's the only guitarist. The drummer is a respected guy, Mike Johnston. Excellent drummer.
  • Simon Says - Canvas
  • Simon Says - Dyslexic Smile
  • Simon Says - Dead Weight

Never really got into the grungy sound. Doesn't sound like anything special or something I haven't heard before, my opinion.
I guess I can say it sounds good in general, but the style isn't clicking with me.

HellCell 11-20-2014 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1510330)
The Batlord's Obligatory Recommendation for Warlord, the Greatest Christian Metal Band In History



This one sounds pretty damn cool. It's like a fusion folk rock and power metal, put in a well orchestrated composition.

HellCell 11-20-2014 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1509850)
You need some Clutch:



They have lots of good ol' fashioned rock.

This one sounds funky. Has an indie sound to it. Doesn't mesh with me though, but passable. Like something pleasant to add when strolling through an amusement park.

CoNtrivedNiHilism 11-20-2014 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HellCell (Post 1510470)
Haven't heard the full album, but that doesn't stop me from liking this particular song. I'll check it out, but I doubt I'll dislike it the way you do.




Never really got into the grungy sound. Doesn't sound like anything special or something I haven't heard before, my opinion.
I guess I can say it sounds good in general, but the style isn't clicking with me.

You may like the entire Release the Panic album, it had its moments where I could listen to it, but like I already stated; inconsistent...just didn't do for me what their other albums did.

Talking about Simon Says now...are you saying they are nothing new because you are comparing them to the new or newer bands around now, or because you are comparing them to the bands that were fresh on the scene like Simon Says was back in 1998 - 2002? My opinion is when that album came out in 2000, it didn't sound like other nu-metal labeled albums, it had so much tighter musicianship and better songwriting, and their sound was more built up. I will always say that their Shut Your Breath album is an overlooked gem of the nu-metal movement from the early 2000's.

HellCell 11-21-2014 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism (Post 1510719)
You may like the entire Release the Panic album, it had its moments where I could listen to it, but like I already stated; inconsistent...just didn't do for me what their other albums did.

Talking about Simon Says now...are you saying they are nothing new because you are comparing them to the new or newer bands around now, or because you are comparing them to the bands that were fresh on the scene like Simon Says was back in 1998 - 2002? My opinion is when that album came out in 2000, it didn't sound like other nu-metal labeled albums, it had so much tighter musicianship and better songwriting, and their sound was more built up. I will always say that their Shut Your Breath album is an overlooked gem of the nu-metal movement from the early 2000's.

Don't hate, but I was comparing to Slipknot, Korn, POD, and Limp Bizkit. I remember listening to Nu Metal bands like that back in the early 2000s on MTV. It felt like it was another one of those.

Oriphiel 11-26-2014 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HellCell (Post 1509911)
Moods that have yet to work-
  • Gangster
  • Country, South sounding
  • Teeny Bopper
  • Girly, Boybandish
  • Old sound. 60s, 70s, 80s or Older

I got several more, but in this particular case with alternative rock and christian rock. They fall under Modern Spirit.
  • Modern Spirit - Invigorating, Zealous, Positive, Moreso masculine.

It helps if I can transmit a sample of my playlist.

My friend, I know everyone hates people who come into threads and throw random suggestions at people instead of holding a meaningful dialogue, but I think you need to listen to The Sonics.

HellCell 11-26-2014 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1513674)
My friend, I know everyone hates people who come into threads and throw random suggestions at people instead of holding a meaningful dialogue, but I think you need to listen to The Sonics.

I'm open to suggestions and I am not one to constrain conversational material except for spam. I'll give it a The Sonics a listen, though I'd like to hear your sentiment behind it.

Chula Vista 11-26-2014 10:26 PM

Big Wreck my friend.


ladyislingering 11-26-2014 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellCell (Post 1509672)
What I loved about metal was the instrumental richness and it's fantasticness.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1509695)
If you like stirring music, why not try prog rock?

:thumb:


this was seriously the beginning and end of this thread for me.

Dylstew 11-27-2014 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HellCell (Post 1513919)
I'm open to suggestions and I am not one to constrain conversational material except for spam. I'll give it a The Sonics a listen, though I'd like to hear your sentiment behind it.

The Sonics are awesome, I also reccomend them.

I've also been delving more into rock lately, here's stuff I've listened to:
The usual **** - AC/DC, Guns N' Roses, Queen, Mötorhead, Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, early Deep Purple and Judas Priest, Pearl Jam, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Doors, Pink Floyd, the Jimi Hendrix Experience.

Other - Early Riot, Montrose, Free, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Clutch, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Cream, the Who, Steppenwolf. edit: The Kinks

Things I'm not sure that count - The White Stripes, The Black Keys, Queens of the Stone Age, Kyuss, The Smashing Pumpkins, the Pixies, Funkadelic, Arctic Monkeys.
Oh, and I guess the latest Bronx album kind of counts, it has a more hard rock sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIe6C6vKnFk.
I might have missed something.


Next on my list to listen to are Thin Lizzy and Neutral Milk Hotel.
Full list of things I want to listen to:
Alice Cooper
Can
Def Leppard
Derek and The Dominoes
Genesis
Goerge Thorogood & The Destroyers
Jetrho Tull
John Mayal's Bluesbreakers
Pavement
Rory Gallagher
Rush
Sonic Youth
The Byrds

What are some others that are reccomended?

Pet_Sounds 11-27-2014 06:09 AM

Definitely the Kinks if you haven't heard them. Village Green Preservation Society is an incredible album. And who doesn't like "You Really Got Me"?

The Batlord 11-27-2014 06:31 AM

Definitely seconded on the Sonics. If old school garage rock sounds dated to you, you can still dig the Sonics. They're basically the point at which garage rock becomes punk, but they were around well over a decade before punk (I think their debut came out a year or so after the Rolling Stones' first album.) Even today they're still more intense than most punk bands who play much faster. And that distortion is perfect. They used to take ice picks to their amps just to make them sound more ****ed up. Yeah I know the Kinks started that, but the Sonics took it even farther.





Dylstew 11-27-2014 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1514110)
Definitely the Kinks if you haven't heard them. Village Green Preservation Society is an incredible album. And who doesn't like "You Really Got Me"?

Ah, that's one I forgot to list, I already listened to them :P

Chula Vista 11-27-2014 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1514110)
And who doesn't like "You Really Got Me"?

Psssst.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...b148b9a06e.jpg

Pet_Sounds 11-27-2014 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1514162)

I am disappointed.

Chula Vista 11-27-2014 11:36 AM

Why?

Pet_Sounds 11-27-2014 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1514224)
Why?

I thought everyone liked that song.

Chula Vista 11-27-2014 03:45 PM

I do.

Pet_Sounds 11-27-2014 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1514325)
I do.

Never mind then, I probably just missed an obvious reference somewhere.

Chula Vista 11-27-2014 03:53 PM

That's Jimmy Page and he played on that Kinks song.

Pet_Sounds 11-27-2014 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1514330)
That's Jimmy Page and he played on that Kinks song.

Ah, since you use Jimmy for everything, I thought he was giving me a look like "I don't." Didn't know he played on "You Really Got Me"; that's cool.

Oh, and I bet I can come up with a Zep story you don't know.

The Batlord 11-27-2014 06:20 PM

Don't worry, nobody else got it either, because it was an arbitrary picture of some guy, with no context.

Chula Vista 11-27-2014 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1514333)

Oh, and I bet I can come up with a Zep story you don't know.

Bring it.

Pet_Sounds 11-27-2014 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1514415)
Bring it.

Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones, and John Bonham all played on Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy Man". Might have been a crucial moment in the band's founding.


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