Is Burzum racist?
 

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Once upon a time this new dude joined my class.
He's almost bald, like a skinhead. He wears these particular boots, like a skinhead.
My first thoughts were ''ooh, maybe finally someone else that likes punk''.
I also really hoped he wasn't a racist skinhead. I thought, eh, there's plenty of other types of skinheads that weren't racist (hell, the original kind listened to jamaican reggae/ska). I'm half black btw. I didn't want to judge him without knowing him.

I started talking to him and he said he loves Black Metal. I had never listened to Black Metal, but I was interested in it. I asked for some bands. he let me listen to Burzum on his phone, it was pretty nice.. He told me this story about how ****ed up the vocalist is, but creepily enough it seemed like he kinda looked up to him in a way.. I tried again, not to judge.

I noticed how with almost anything people said, he went against it. Sometimes those conversations would feel slightly strange..but I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and not judge.

I asked if he liked any Punk, he only liked a few Oi! bands, pretty much.
Then a while later he said he told he listens to this german world war 2 music or whatever. , and he really REALLY liked it. that was weird...
He later actually said that the nazi/racist punk bands made better music...
Weirdly, when he told me all this **** he was still nice to me.
I kept thinking ''You do know I'm black..right?''

Then when listening to a Burzum album in class, which I thought was okay, suddenly a girl in my class and him were arguing really loudly. Apparently he said something racist about muslims(no, the girl was not a muslim). It seems like he's never said much about black people, but he does have a thing against muslims.

Then the biggest offense came. In drawing class, he was drawing what looked like Hitler. At least it was similar to him. I'm dead ****ing serious.
How did they even let this dude in our school? 0.o.

Now, somewhere I read that the burzum vocalist who's done a bunch of ****ed up **** is also racist, but I don't know if that's true.
Even so, that made me even more creeped out by this dude. The weirdest part still is that he's been pretty nice to me.

Now, this dude actually pretty much scared me off of listening to more black metal. At first I was really eager to check out more black metal, but now I'm feeling like it less and less. oh, and best of all, he's also a hipster. He literally said he didn't like Nirvana because it's too ''Mainstream'' -_-

The actual question:
So that brings me to my question, is Burzum racist? are any other big Black Metal bands racist? Just wondering.

Burzum is pretty racist. The cover artwork of his newest album is littered with swastikas.

And yes, other big black metal bands are also racist. On the original back cover of Darkthrone's Transilvanian Hunger, the words "Norsk Arisk Black Metal", or "Norwegian Aryan Black Metal".

What about these I intended to listen to?

Darkthrone
Dissection
Emperor
Gorgoroth
Immortal
Mayhem
Weakling

Darkthrone is racist. Varg Vikernes from Burzum played in Mayhem for a while, so there's that, and Euronymous, one of the other band members, had some pretty extreme views. Jon Nödtveidt of Dissection was involved in the murder of a gay man. So yeah, many early black metal bands held questionable views, though not exclusively racist. Immortal is "clean", though.

Varg Vikernes is definitely racist (BTW Burzum is a one man project, so it's technically true to call him the vocalist, but that sounds weird.), but his music isn't. The lyrics don't deal with racial issues.
It's up to you to decide whether a musicians worldview impacts your enjoyment of the music, I for myself don't really care (although I have a jewish background), as long as he doesn't scream racist bull**** in my ear.
An ex-girlfriend of mine, who is black, was also a big fan.
I wouldn't buy his albums though, wouldn't want to finance such people.

Yeah, that's the thing, the music itself is not racist, so I might listen to it, but it's still gives me a weird feeling. An uncomfortable feeling.

Questionable. Darkthrone are trolls who may very well have just been looking for attention. A lot of black metal bands can't really be taken seriously, even when it comes to racism. A lot of it is just attention seeking.

Don't take any of that Euronymous goofiness seriously. He was playing a part.

My general impression is that a large percent of black metal bands will adopt any philosophy as long as it's offensive. Unless they put it into action, like burning churches or committing violent hate crimes I just take it as trolling.

So when did Muslims become a race?

Racism in general is just petty, and if anyone here is racist, go f*ck yourself and your ignorance, you're no better than some black man, Chinese, Japanese, whatever. Racism pisses me off. So it'd be a good assumption from any of you to say that I wouldn't listen to a band if any of them were racist, and you'd be right. It doesn't matter if only one, or half of the band is racist. Racism makes no sense at all and serves no purpose, other than to provoke, torment, and belittle. F*ck racism. The fact the people thin k they're better than others or more entitled to things because of the color of their skin, it's just all kinds of f*cked up. I once knocked out this racist guy in a bar for walking up to this black guy and telling him "get the hell out of here, you n*gger, your kind should be shipped off to an island and burned alive"...pissed me off, so I clocked him for it.

haha, anyway...

While technically not correct, I think it's been adopted as a race reference by a LOT of people since 9/11.

I'm racist against stockbrokers. I freely admit it.

haha, that's a whole other beast, right there.

Darkthrone's not racist. That's silly.

Varg does think some races and cultures are inferior to his own (the very definition of racism) so I guess he is in a way, but that's just a package deal with his staunch nationalism. lol In his Burzum live videos, he makes it very blatant what book he's reading, including "Race differences in intelligence".

Varg sounds like an idiot, going by what you just said.

He's incredibly intelligent and educated.

I don't know anything about the guy, but I don't think I want to anyway. If he thinks his race is for some reason superior than some other races, that in no way sounds like something an intelligent individual would say, if anything it makes him look ignorant and prejudice.

I don't see what that has to do with his intelligence.

One can be intelligent and still have disgustingly stupid ideals and generally be an *******.

coughhitlercough

Really though, if you can write a multivolume informative manifesto that's still adored to this day (although probably more than a few people adoring it are idiots themselves), chances are you weren't in special ed.

Varg's intelligent, his writing, the way he composes music, the writing that goes with his composed music...

Maybe I'm just being a scrooge, I don't know. Maybe I'll read up on Varg. I still think he's an idiot for thinking his race is superior to others, seriously though...what a dumb f*cking thing to say.

Yup.

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I'm racist against women. They should all go back to womanland where they belong. Just so long as they take me with them. The rest of you can jerk off.

If different races have differentials in skin, eye, and hair color, hair straightness and curliness, predispositions and immuninites to various diseases, height and weight, why is it so incredibly inconceivable that there may be an increased likelyhood for different sorts of intelligences in different races?

I agree with Mondo. Varg is obviously not a stupid one, but I couldn't agree with his political and societal views even if I tried.

Because intelligence is influenced by a huge amount of different factors, some of them environmental, unlike the traits you mentioned, which are much simpler and rely on relatively few genetic factors.

So why does complexity make it unthinkable? The brain is a biological organ; it's not like it's supernatural or something.

What does intelligence have to do with anything? How about survival skills?

A lot of advanced Western civilizations wouldn't last more than a few generations if they were stuck in the middle of the Amazon forests or deep in the jungles of Africa.

Does that mean you think different races have a predisposition to different kinds of intelligences then?

Sure, a lot of people talk about "the brain", but have you ever actually seen one?

Again, what the hell does intelligence have to do with anything. And are you talking about book smarts? Lay of the land smarts? Survival smarts?

Define intelligence and then I'll answer.

Are women people?

First of all, there aren't multiple races of humanity. Humanity itself is a race. And while all of the sub-races that it is split up into do have varying attributes as they've adapted to various environments, the truth is that these sub-races haven't existed on their own for long enough to be drastically different from each other. The only real differences you'll find are in skin pigmentation and bone structure, as well as different genetic traits and slight changes in average organ sizes (such as the lungs), but never intelligence.

Think about it. If every group of humanity is surviving on their own, and survival of the fittest is in effect, why would one group become less intelligent than the others? Losing intelligence is a sure-fire way to get killed off before your genes can have a chance to spread. Makes no evolutionary sense, and every valid study into the subject has determined that no race is inherently "smarter" than the others. Now stop all of this racist drivel and let it be.

Check out "The Race Myth: Why We Pretend Race Exists in America" by Joseph Graves. It might answer some questions for you.

I don't listen to Burzum so I couldn't tell you if Varg Vikernes philosophy tranfers over to his music, but he himself is definitely an old school racist.

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As for other big bands its hard to say, heavy metal in general is now pretty much a global phenomenon so if there are any, most of them would be smart enough to conceal their views, or hence ruin their careers.

That stuff's stupid though, I'll wear a shirt from a band that I like if I damn well please. That's what their for, to show what bands I like, anyone wearing a band shirt for any other reason is a poser.

I have, it rendered my Youtube "recommended for you" field full of brain surgery videos.

Yes, I have. I went to that Chinese "The Body" exhibition that displayed more than one real human brain in various states of dissection.

I'm talking about all of that and everything else the brain does as well. That's why I'm using the plural "intelligences".

It's not unthinkable, just unlikely.
And you ignored the part about environmental factors.
Plus we don't even really know how to define intelligence or how to really measure it.
We could also argue about whether only some races have a soul. We wouldn't really have much to go on and the motives of someone arguing in favour of this hypothesis would be highly dubious.