Heavy metal is sexist: yay or nay?

Chula Vista · 02-06-2016, 11:42 AM

Touche'

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The Batlord · 02-06-2016, 12:06 PM

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And yet, for some reason, it's still kind of gratifying, as a man, to be in a position where you can put on a bit of machismo and blokey swagger. Why?

The answer is, society isn't quite as equal as we think it is. There's a lot of attitudes people just internalise and never question. Being able to "Man-mode" something and draw on that machismo is reassuring because society will turn around and say "That's how a man should be, good job".

At the very least, not entirely. Men are hardwired toward "machismo" because we evolved that way. It's not just a social construct. There's a very visceral, unconscious, primitive charge many men get from engaging in physical, even violent behavior, and I think that's more to do with how evolution has hard-wired our brains than society.

GuitarBizarre · 02-06-2016, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

At the very least, not entirely. Men are hardwired toward "machismo" because we evolved that way. It's not just a social construct. There's a very visceral, unconscious, primitive charge many men get from engaging in physical, even violent behavior, and I think that's more to do with how evolution has hard-wired our brains than society.

I disagree, but it's a very minor point that's impossible to prove. There are literally millions of years of patriarchal society as the only evidence available to study, and there was no "Control group" matriarchal society about which we know anything significant, to compare to.

The Batlord · 02-06-2016, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

I disagree, but it's a very minor point that's impossible to prove. There are literally millions of years of patriarchal society as the only evidence available to study, and there was no "Control group" matriarchal society about which we know anything significant, to compare to.

And I'm too lazy to look up any studies about evolutionary psychology. I just think it's ridiculous to assume that our psychology is determined entirely by society when our brains are physical, and have been shaped by billions of years of evolution the same as all of our other body parts. Unless you think that gender psychology is somehow special, and only determined by society, as opposed to all other aspects of human psychology.

**Goofle** · 02-06-2016, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

Look at black culture. When people talk about black-on-black violence in gang culture in the USA, the call goes out to "Leading Black Figures" to decry the actions. Look at religious violence. It's never good enough that muslims, jewish people, sikhs, etc, decry and speak out against acts of violence comitted by extremists under the guise of religious fervor - there's always a media presence asking the larger denominations of those groups to speak out against it and do something.

The unspoken rule in those situations is "Black people, this is your problem, fix it" or "Muslims, this is your doing, stop them".

Contrast the KKK - they're the western white christian equivalent to organisations like ISIS or Al Qaeda - They exist to promote a highly problematic, violent agenda against groups they don't like. Substitute "The west" or "America" with "Black people and gays" and you pretty much get the idea of how similar their views are to those of ISIS etc.

When the KKK do something, they're shunned - for being the KKK. There are no calls for "White community figures" to speak out about the growing problem of "white gang culture".

And that's entirely the issue. That's white priveledge. Having an advantage or lack of concern that's so completely entrenched in the way society works that it actually takes a bit of thinking in order to EVEN REALISE IT MIGHT BE WRONG.

The reason you won't see too many white people saying "black on black crime is a serious issue that we need to solve" is because they fear that they will be called a racist. Because, as you know, it's *insert following tumblerisms* holding them down and also white policemen kill black people sometimes. And when I see black people saying "black on black crime is a problem" they are accused of being an 'oreo', 'porch monkey' etc.

And we all know white people are told they can't even speak on some issues, so why on earth would you expect a white person to come out and point out how ridiculous the black crime rate is? I mean, just today on a video I saw a white teacher being "schooled" on racism by one of his pupils, despite her literally using a made up definition of the word racism.

Also, the KKK. You brought up the KKK... and used it as an equivalence to ISIS and Al-Queida? In 2015/16

Yeah, seems like a fair comparison.

You're too intelligent for this stuff GB, far too intelligent.

Blue Hawk · 02-06-2016, 12:36 PM

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Metal is ****ing full of things like this. That's why people like Rob Halford were so worried about coming out as gay, long after most other professions made that acceptable (If, still discriminated against in secret)

Never heard about discrimination of black guys in metal.

**Frownland** · 02-06-2016, 12:36 PM

...the KKK are a perfectly fine comparison to Isis.

**Goofle** · 02-06-2016, 12:49 PM

The word equivalence was the issue, obviously white supremacists high on the terrible people scale. But can anyone even remember the last time the KKK did anything?

**Frownland** · 02-06-2016, 12:55 PM

Whether or not they're currently relevant doesn't invalidate what they stand for and their history in terms GB's posts.

**Goofle** · 02-06-2016, 12:59 PM

Who said it didn't? I was simply laughing at the poor example of a "white person" equivalence of ISIS in the modern day.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Whether or not they're currently relevant doesn't invalidate what they stand for and their history in terms GB's posts. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x