Rock Album Survivor

The Batlord · 01-16-2016, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

You really took Bat Out of Hell off!? No. No! No! Meat Loaf, and I have proven this, is way more iconic than Jeff Wayne. I don't care much about the other charts, but Bat Out of Hell must stay on rock opera! That's all I really want. I made seven lists just to help, and I don't care how changed they get. I don't care what gets on the other ones. People are going to complain about the lack of story in Bat and not care about ANATO? That's uber hypocritical! All I really want is for Bat to stay on rock opera because it deserves the spot more than War of the Worlds and it deserves the title more than Night since Night doesn't even have a story and Bat Out of Hell was adopted from a story. Bat Out of Hell is basically a retelling of Peter Pan. This may be too emotional of a post, but that's all I want. I contributed rock opera specifically since I was looking forward to that round. Please just allow me that one album.

Trollheart · 01-16-2016, 05:52 PM

Hey now, I would have to be kept in that small clique of AOR fans you know. I've taken more than my share of criticism over liking Journey, Boston etc.

Also, no way JGuy. I'll fight you to the death to prevent the travesty of Bat being put into Rock Opera. En garde!

Note: that name makes this picture seem way gayer than it probably is...

JGuy Grungeman · 01-16-2016, 05:55 PM

If you think A Night at the Opera deserves to be there more than Bat, you have no idea what a rock opera is. I already explained all of my reasoning. ANATO isn't even a rock opera on RYM, or by your own definition. You stated it doesn't have a story, and you said nothing of Queen. If it's such a big deal, why did you say nothing when I wrote it?. Bat is a Rock Opera. Period.

War only sold 2.5 million, Bat sold 43 million.

https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/jeff_wayne

War of the Worlds is his only "known" album, and I've never heard anything by Jeff Wayne on the radio. Meat Loaf has at least 4 well-known albums: Bat, Dead Ringer, Bat II, and Bat III. If you think Bat II isn't known, know Bat II sold more than 13,000,000 records.

I've never heard Jeff Waynes on the radio. Meat Loaf hit singles come from Bat, Dead Ringer, Midnight at the Lost and Found, Bat II, and Welcome to the Nieghborhood.

Jeff Wayne's music videos are not known. Meat Loaf's music videos helped the careers of Angelina Jolie who starred in one, and Michael Bay who directed multiple vids.

Meat Loaf has more reason to stay.

grindy · 01-16-2016, 05:56 PM

How is "Bot Brawl" gay?

The Batlord · 01-16-2016, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

How is "Bot Brawl" gay?

Canadian.

grindy · 01-16-2016, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Canadian.

My first association when thinking about Canadians are lumberjacks.
Nothing gay about that.

JGuy Grungeman · 01-16-2016, 06:15 PM

How about we take of Night at the Opera, put in Bat Out of Hell, and have Night go to art rock? Seriously, the bottom line is we can';t call this a rock album survivor if the major rep bands of rock aren't on their. I just saw a Meat Loaf concert recently. There was at least 5 thousand people. How many can Jeff Wayne seat?

The Batlord · 01-16-2016, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

How about we take of Night at the Opera, put in Bat Out of Hell, and have Night go to art rock? Seriously, the bottom line is we can';t call this a rock album survivor if the major rep bands of rock aren't on their. I just went to a Meat Loaf concert recently. There was at least 5 thousand people. How many can Jeff Wayne seat?

For a guy whose album sold 43 million copies, 5 thousand people is a pretty big step down.

JGuy Grungeman · 01-16-2016, 06:30 PM

It's still better than what Jeff Wayne can do. It's what happens to a rock artist. A career drops a bit. But he got a spot in a huge stadium. And even if Wayne somehow managed to top Meat Loaf's tickets, that's just one reason of the many I gave that was defeated.

Trollheart · 01-16-2016, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

If you think A Night at the Opera deserves to be there more than Bat, you have no idea what a rock opera is. I made that list, and I think I have a right to decide just one album to stay there. I already explained all of my reasoning. ANATO isn't even a rock opera on RYM, or by your own definition. You stated it doesn't have a story, and you said nothing of Queen. If it's such a big deal, why did you say nothing when I wrote it?. Bat is a Rock Opera. Period.

War only sold 2.5 million, Bat sold 43 million.

https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/jeff_wayne

War of the Worlds is his only "known" album, and I've never heard anything by Jeff Wayne on the radio. Meat Loaf has at least 4 well-known albums: Bat, Dead Ringer, Bat II, and Bat III. If you think Bat II isn't known, know Bat II sold more than 13,000,000 records.

I've never heard Jeff Waynes on the radio. Meat Loaf hit singles come from Bat, Dead Ringer, Midnight at the Lost and Found, Bat II, and Welcome to the Nieghborhood.

Jeff Wayne's music videos are not known. Meat Loaf's music videos helped the careers of Angelina Jolie who starred in one, and Michael Bay who directed multiple vids.

Meat Loaf has more reason to stay.

I honestly dont understand your reasons. I've been listening to BOOH for about thirty years and have NEVER heard it described as a rock opera. I know very little about Queen, never mentioned them so not sure why you're harping on that. BOOH is not a rock opera. It's not. It does not have a story, it is not acted out on stage, all the songs are separate. There is no way it's a rock opera. Put it in if you want, idgaf; but I disagree with every reason you make, and I have no idea what having sold so many million albums/seats has to do with it.

Jeff Wayne's WOTW was one of the biggest albums when I was growing up. Just because you never heard of it and he didn't have any other major releases should not preclude it. If there's a definition of a rock opera, WOTW comes closest other than The Wall and Tommy et al. There's a clear story, big stars, narration and few of the songs work on their own. The music all flows together mostly and the songs are held together in the narrative by long instrumental sections. None of this happens in Bat. None.

But do what you want. I don't care and I'm not going to start a fight about it. But as a point of principle, I will continue to refute the suggestion that Bat is a rock opera.

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Originally Posted by grindy

How is "Bot Brawl" gay?

Bot = bottom. Try to keep up.

01-16-2016, 05:52 PM	#332 (permalink)
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JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	If you think A Night at the Opera deserves to be there more than Bat, you have no idea what a rock opera is. I already explained all of my reasoning. ANATO isn't even a rock opera on RYM, or by your own definition. You stated it doesn't have a story, and you said nothing of Queen. If it's such a big deal, why did you say nothing when I wrote it?. Bat is a Rock Opera. Period. War only sold 2.5 million, Bat sold 43 million. https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/jeff_wayne War of the Worlds is his only "known" album, and I've never heard anything by Jeff Wayne on the radio. Meat Loaf has at least 4 well-known albums: Bat, Dead Ringer, Bat II, and Bat III. If you think Bat II isn't known, know Bat II sold more than 13,000,000 records. I've never heard Jeff Waynes on the radio. Meat Loaf hit singles come from Bat, Dead Ringer, Midnight at the Lost and Found, Bat II, and Welcome to the Nieghborhood. Jeff Wayne's music videos are not known. Meat Loaf's music videos helped the careers of Angelina Jolie who starred in one, and Michael Bay who directed multiple vids. Meat Loaf has more reason to stay. Last edited by JGuy Grungeman; 01-16-2016 at 10:52 PM.

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01-16-2016, 06:15 PM	#337 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	How about we take of Night at the Opera, put in Bat Out of Hell, and have Night go to art rock? Seriously, the bottom line is we can';t call this a rock album survivor if the major rep bands of rock aren't on their. I just saw a Meat Loaf concert recently. There was at least 5 thousand people. How many can Jeff Wayne seat? Last edited by JGuy Grungeman; 01-16-2016 at 06:26 PM.

01-16-2016, 06:30 PM	#339 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	It's still better than what Jeff Wayne can do. It's what happens to a rock artist. A career drops a bit. But he got a spot in a huge stadium. And even if Wayne somehow managed to top Meat Loaf's tickets, that's just one reason of the many I gave that was defeated. Last edited by JGuy Grungeman; 01-16-2016 at 06:53 PM.