Rock Album Survivor

Tristan_Geoff · 01-30-2016, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Except that post-punk is specifically "designed" to not sound like a genre. All the bands absolutely did not want to sound like each other. You're just quote mining to to twist the argument in your favor. I just looked at your art punk list, and the ones bolded are all explicitly post-punk, and I'm sure many of the others could be argued to be post-punk as well, like Television and Pere Ubu.

Art Punk

1. Television - Marquee Moon
2. Wire - Pink Flag
3. Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance
4. The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour
5. Cardiacs - On Land and in the Sea
6. Public Image Ltd. - First Issue
7. Flipper - Gone Fishin
8. Brainiac - Hissing Prigs in Static Couture
9. Patti Smith Group - Wave
10. MX-80 Sound - Out of the Tunnel

This list is unnecessary.

Actually, at one point or another I've seen ll of these labeled as post-punk. Post-punk=art punk.

But then again, there's stuff like Parquet Court's Monastic Living, No Age's Weirdo Rippers, and Whatever Brains' __LP (2012) that can't really be labeled as post-punk but art punk/experimetal punk works well enough. I say if you really want to see one that doesn't fit on the post-punk list put it in wild card.

Tristan_Geoff · 01-30-2016, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Unless this seems more fit for the pop survivor, here's Jangle Pop.

1. R.E.M. - Murmur
2. Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
3. The Go-Betweens - 16 Lovers Lane
4. Teenage Fanclub - Bandwagonesqe
5. The La's - The La's
6. The dB's - Stands for Decibels
7. The Church - Starfish
8. Felt - Forever Breathes the Lonely Word
9. The Soft Boys - Udnerwater Moonlight
10. The Feelies - Only Life

Goofle meeds more the pop survivor anyways so I think it'd be best to bring it there. As a general rule, if you're asking whether a new list should go there, just go ahead and do it. I think we have more than enough here already.

The Batlord · 01-30-2016, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

I was going down RYM's list of art punk, and it was hard to find recognizable bands on RYM that weren't notable for both. Was I the one who submitted the original post-punk lsit? I don't think so...

But don't think I can't distinguish the two. It's not my fault everyone's voting specific albums to be both post-punk and art punk. The majority of art punk's popularity is from the 70's and early 80's, and although there are a lot of 90's art punk albums, post-punk bands were making more very famous post-punk albums even into the 90's. Siouxsie, The Cure, Nick Cave, and Echo are good examples. Plus, post-punk is much larger than art punk.

The art punk I've heard is less production-based, and is really more like a "stripped-down" version of punk. Post-punk isn't "stripped-down." It's more rule-breaking.

What I'm getting from you is that you associate the post-punk "sound" with Joy Division's sound and all the bands they influenced. Where do The Fall and Gang of Four and PiL fall into your view of post-punk's sound? James Chance and the Contortions? Pere Ubu?

Can we please get this bull**** art punk list off the thread?

Tristan_Geoff · 01-30-2016, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

What I'm getting from you is that you associate the post-punk "sound" with Joy Division's sound and all the bands they influenced. Where do The Fall and Gang of Four and PiL fall into your view of post-punk's sound? James Chance and the Contortions? Pere Ubu?

Can we please get this bull**** art punk list off the thread?

Or just pick and choose with the post-punk list. We have too many lists already without all these micro-genres. Let's make a Jazzcore list while we're at it.

The Batlord · 01-30-2016, 09:05 PM

We're also forgetting cowpunk.

Tristan_Geoff · 01-30-2016, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

We're also forgetting cowpunk.

Ahem. Meat Puppets is represented and I'm pretty sure Dead Milmen are too. No need.

The Batlord · 01-30-2016, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff

Ahem. Meat Puppets is represented and I'm pretty sure Dead Milmen are too. No need.

But folk punk and cowpunk aren't the same thing. Folk punk describes folk-influenced punk in general, but cowpunk specifically describes punk with an American country influence. What about the Scorchers? Not to mention the Paisley Underground.

And can someone explain to me why these four lists need to be more than one?

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Roots Rock

1. Creedence Clearwater Revival - Cosmo's Factory
2. Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms
3. The Band - Music from Big Pink
4. Ry Cooder - Paradise and Lunch
5. Los Lobos - Kiko
6. Rod Stewart - Every Picture Tells a Story
7. Little Feat - Dixie Chicken
8. Elton John - Tumbleweed Collection
9. J.J. Cale - To Tulsa and Back
10. Steve Earle - Transcendental Blues

Southern Rock

1. Lynyrd Skynyrd - Pronounced Lynyrd Skynyrd
2. Allman Brothers - At Fillmore East
3. The Marshall Tucker Band - The Marshall Tucker Band
4. The Black Crowes - The Southern Harmony and the Musical Companion
5. ZZ Top - Tres Hombres
6. Gov't Mule - Dose
7. The Charlie Daniels Band - Fire on the Mountain
8. Molly Hatchet - Molly Hatchet
9. Drive-By Truckers - The Dirty South
10. Neil Young - After the Gold Rush

Country Rock

1. Eagles - Desperado
2. Neil Young - Harvest
3. Gene Clark - No Other
4. Buffalo Springfield - Buffalo Springfield
5. J.J. Cale - Naturally
6. Moby Grape - Moby Grape '69
7. Hank Williams, Jr. - Hank Williams, Jr. & Friends
8. Blue Rodeo - Five Days in July
9. Linda Ronstadt - Heart Like a Wheel
10. The Byrds - Sweetheart of the Rodeo

Heartland Rock

1. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers - Damn the Torpedoes
2. Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run
3. John Cougar Mellencamp - Scarecrow
4. Southside Johnny & The Asbury Jukes - Hearts of Stone
5. Lucinda Williams - Essence
6. Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band - Stranger in Town
7. John Fogerty - Centerfield
8. Nils Lofgren - Nils Lofgren
9. Bruce Hornsby and The Range - The Way It Is
10. Iron City Houserockers - Have a Good Time (But Get Out Alive)

JGuy Grungeman · 01-31-2016, 12:15 AM

Because the four are quite different, and because there were a lot of vital bands missing.

The Batlord · 01-31-2016, 12:19 AM

I'm not trusting the opinion of the guy who insisted on both prog rock and symphonic prog, and post-punk and art punk. Your ideas about genres are arbitrary and pedantic.

TechnicLePanther · 01-31-2016, 07:45 AM

The reason we have more lists is so we can include more cool bands. If the general consensus is that we trim down some of the lists, and consolidate, that's fine with me, but the problem is that we'll be losing a lot of great albums, and it will create very, very long debates (such as this one), over the littlest thing. So, my proposal is this:

If you want to consolidate some of the lists, you'll be ceding much control over to me on deciding which bands are in and which are out. On the other hand, we can just have more lists, even if some of them are basically just the same thing.

And Jangle Pop can go on Pop Survivor.

Now, ****ing tell me what you want me to do.

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TechnicLePanther and the livin' is easy... Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New York Posts: 1,997	The reason we have more lists is so we can include more cool bands. If the general consensus is that we trim down some of the lists, and consolidate, that's fine with me, but the problem is that we'll be losing a lot of great albums, and it will create very, very long debates (such as this one), over the littlest thing. So, my proposal is this: If you want to consolidate some of the lists, you'll be ceding much control over to me on deciding which bands are in and which are out. On the other hand, we can just have more lists, even if some of them are basically just the same thing. And Jangle Pop can go on Pop Survivor. Now, **ing tell me what you want me to do. __________________ Many have tried to destroy it... but... true evil never dies. It is only... REBORN SUGGEST ME AN ALBUM** - I'm probably not going to listen to it but I will if you bother me enough.