The Batlord

**** commercial success. The idea that metal should be commercially successful, or that it somehow has to do with its quality, flies in the face of it's basic premise: to be louder and more subversive than commercial rock. And as ****ty as BMTH is at least their earlier **** was fun, unlike the dull piss water that is their current sound.

And metalcore is the best metal or hardcore.

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Frownland

This so much. Publicity was most definitely a great thing for metal, but by no means does it correlate to the quality of the music in any way. Same thing goes for obscurity.

Death metal and black metal are my favourite metal genres (not counting avant garde metal because that's so ambiguous a term). WISSK did a cover of Tears Don't Fall at a party when we were 14 and we all got laid so hells ja on their earlier stuff being better.

*masturbates to the memory of banging a 15 year old whilst blasting The Poison*

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William_the_Bloody

Well yes their last album was...not metal, but simply put, Parkway Drive and BMTH were able to come with guitar riffs that were more interesting and catchy than Earth Crisis and Ringworm, which is why know one remember the latter.

As for metal being harder than commercial rock, I don't think that's to hard to do these days with Maroon 5 on the comeback, extreme metal has its place, but it only appeals to a small niche audience, if heavy metal wants to survive as a commercial enterprise it needs to branch out.

You can't really go any harder than we already have, I would argue that metal needs to go back to being a talent bar in rock. Metal was inevitably more commercially successful than punk because it was more talented. I mean who would you rather listen to, Metallica or Minor Threat?

Frownland

Minor Threat on most days tbh. Not that Metallica's early stuff isn't great or anything.

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The Batlord

Lol no. Ringworm are ****ing amazing, and I say that as someone who's not really a big Integrity fan, and Earth Crisis are awesome as well. Parkway Drive and later Bring Me the Horizon are just too polished and squeaky clean to be truly effective as aggressive music. If they are the heralds of what metal should and will be then I'm gone.

And I would rather listen to early Metallica (first two albums) than later Metallica, and that is largely because it is less polished and hadn't lost its balls in the name of musical progression. If you really don't want your metal to be raw and abrasive and unpalatable then start listening to power metal, cause that's where you should really be at with your attitude.

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William_the_Bloody

Fair enough, it was early Metallica that I was thinking off, because it gave them the reputation to become a behemoth, and a lot of popular heavy metal in the 80's was polished (Take Unknown soldiers Scorpions), but I understand where your coming from. For me though I prefer something between glam metal and extreme metal....a hard thing to find these days.

As for Ringworm and Earth Crisis. There is a reason why everyone remembers the first wave of hardcore bands (Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Suicidal Tendencies) but no one remembers those chugging metallic hardcore bands of the early 90's.

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1. Slipknot - Slipknot - 1
2. Bathory - Blood Fire Death
3. Bring Me the Horizon - There is a hell believe me I've seen it - 2
4. Parkway Drive - Killing With a Smile - 1

Bring Me The Horizon's There Is A Hell Believe Me I've Seen It has been voted off with two votes while Bathory's the overall winner with no votes. I was expecting everyone to play dog pile onto Splipknot.

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Next Battle:

1. Death - Symbolic (P1)
2. Sleep - Dopesmoker (P1) - 1
3. Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
4. Quiet Riot - Metal Health - 2

Vote one off by next wednesday.

Frownland

What does P1 mean?

Quiet Riot, even though I'm not huge on Mayhem.

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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard

AHH all four of these albums make me hard.

Quiet Riot I guess...

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