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Old 12-17-2017, 11:18 AM   #21 (permalink)
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As for the Ramones, as I'm sure you know, Elph, they were all over the place politically. Joey Ramone was decidedly liberal while Johnny Ramone was a staunch conservative. I can't believe Johnny was pure right wing though considering one of their songs was the KKK took my baby away.
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As for the Ramones, as I'm sure you know, Elph, they were all over the place politically. Joey Ramone was decidedly liberal while Johnny Ramone was a staunch conservative. I can't believe Johnny was pure right wing though considering one of their songs was the KKK took my baby away.
I've always heard that Joey wrote that song about Johnny stealing his girlfriend.
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Old 12-17-2017, 12:43 PM   #23 (permalink)
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As for the Ramones, as I'm sure you know, Elph, they were all over the place politically. Joey Ramone was decidedly liberal while Johnny Ramone was a staunch conservative. I can't believe Johnny was pure right wing though considering one of their songs was the KKK took my baby away.
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Old 12-17-2017, 01:37 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Old 12-17-2017, 06:29 PM   #25 (permalink)
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As for the Ramones, as I'm sure you know, Elph, they were all over the place politically. Joey Ramone was decidedly liberal while Johnny Ramone was a staunch conservative. I can't believe Johnny was pure right wing though considering one of their songs was the KKK took my baby away.
This is a false equivalence, saying you can't be purely right wing and opposed to the KKK is just stupid. I'm a very right wing person, but I'm staunchly opposed to the KKK and Naziism.
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Yeah no but that's just a Republican line that's in fact amoral bull**** designed to use the Holocaust as a cheap ad hominem against their political opponents. And anyone who uses it should be ****ing ashamed of themselves for using a genocide as oneupmanship.

I mean seriously if you think that a command economy is somehow the hallmark of the Nazi party then you're a moron. First of all, the Nazis' economic policies were scattershot and in no way the center of their dogma. They believed in some form of capitalism as social darwinism to weed out the incompetents in the same way that they rejected government aid to the poor. Eventually taking control of those corporations that they originally claimed that they were leaving to their own devices was the whim of the Fuhrer and not based in any kind of central political belief beyond the idea that business should ultimately benefit the German race. The Nazis had no economic policies to speak of that made sense. They just did what Hitler wanted.

The entire point of any kind of Nazi economic policies was based entirely around the benefit of the German race (as already stated) as the Nazis were obsessed with the preservation and rejuvenation of a prelapsarian ideal of the German people that is entirely a right wing ideal based in a religious zeal for THE PAST. Nothing that the Nazis did was for a socialist revolution. Everything that they did was for the kind of City on a Hill worshipping, conservative, nationalist dogma that rejects progress and deifies an idealized form of the perfect German man, which is ultimately what right wing, conservative ideology does as well, if in a less concentrated, terrifying form.

But hey they didn't like American capitalism so they're commies, right?
That's the problem with the terms right and left wing. As far as I understand it, the two should really only be used in terms of economics but not everybody sees it that way. So for me, far-right is basically no government. Far-left is basically a completely government controlled economy.

I guess the terms have come to mean quite a lot more so it doesn't really work. Regardless, the Nazis were definitely more socialist than free-market capitalist. Therefore more left wing economically.
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That's the problem with the terms right and left wing. As far as I understand it, the two should really only be used in terms of economics but not everybody sees it that way. So for me, far-right is basically no government. Far-left is basically a completely government controlled economy.

I guess the terms have come to mean quite a lot more so it doesn't really work. Regardless, the Nazis were definitely more socialist than free-market capitalist. Therefore more left wing economically.
I personally have to disagree with you there. Fascism in that case would be considered as far left wing as communism which just is not the case.
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That's the problem with the terms right and left wing. As far as I understand it, the two should really only be used in terms of economics but not everybody sees it that way. So for me, far-right is basically no government. Far-left is basically a completely government controlled economy.

I guess the terms have come to mean quite a lot more so it doesn't really work. Regardless, the Nazis were definitely more socialist than free-market capitalist. Therefore more left wing economically.
Yeah those terms actually mean something that I guess you are ignorant of since you don't actually educate yourself on such things unless they come from Youtube videos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
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Fascism always tends to be socialist economically and therefore left wing. Again, it depends on the definitions you use for left and right wing. I'd rather see the two used in relation to economic policy, because we can use other terms to discuss social attitudes.
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Yeah those terms actually mean something that I guess you are ignorant of since you don't actually educate yourself on such things unless they come from Youtube videos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
I guess you have wiki articles so that's worth reading tomorrow or sometime in the next year.
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