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Cuthbert 02-20-2018 04:33 PM

Black Sabbath vs Led Zeppelin
 
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Both legendary bands (imo), both of their first six records were immense, and both of them have/had a lead singer with long hair.

Discussed a bit in the LZ4 thread but maybe deserves it's own thread so here it is.

Who is better?

Trollheart 02-20-2018 04:46 PM

No contest. Sabbath all the way. Sabbath created heavy metal, and for that I will always be grateful to them. Also, when did Plant ever bite the head off a bat? Not you, Batty, I hasten to add. :D

Seriously, what is this that stands before me vs there's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold: which are you gonna pick? Pipers in hedges or devils standing at the bottom of your bed? And let's not forget the mini maestro, RJD RIP.

OccultHawk 02-20-2018 04:47 PM

I have Sabbath at 22 and Zep at 21 all time on Freak Fighter so neck and neck with a tiny edge to LZ

Cuthbert 02-20-2018 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1928187)
No contest. Sabbath all the way. Sabbath created heavy metal, and for that I will always be grateful to them. Also, when did Plant ever bite the head off a bat? Not you, Batty, I hasten to add. :D

Seriously, what is this that stands before me vs there's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold: which are you gonna pick? Pipers in hedges or devils standing at the bottom of your bed? And let's not forget the mini maestro, RJD RIP.

Great post tbh.

Frownland 02-20-2018 05:00 PM

Sabbath is heavier and fatties are the best.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 02-20-2018 05:11 PM

sabbath because im not a mouth breather

Cuthbert 02-20-2018 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ol’ Qwerty Bastard (Post 1928197)
sabbath because im not a nonce

:D

Poll m8.

The Batlord 02-20-2018 05:40 PM

DUN DUN DUNDUNDUN, DUNUNUNUNUNUN DUNDUNDUN!

TLDR: Go Sabbath.

Akai 02-20-2018 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1928187)
bite the head off a bat

Myth

Cuthbert 02-20-2018 05:56 PM

Zep getting trounced so far.

Expected it to be a bit closer.

The Batlord 02-20-2018 06:38 PM

Zep is the band for classic rock bores. Sabbath is the band for real music fans.

Trollheart 02-20-2018 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1928180)




Who is better?

No they're not. :D
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Originally Posted by Akai (Post 1928207)
Myth

All right, all right! Jeez! Bit the head off a myth, then! :rolleyes: :)

Chula Vista 02-20-2018 09:16 PM

It was a dove.

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The Batlord 02-20-2018 09:18 PM

Those were two separate incidents though.

grindy 02-21-2018 12:58 AM

Sabbath all the way.
LZ bore the **** out of me.

MicShazam 02-21-2018 02:38 AM

No doubt Zeppelin were also an important band, but I never owned any of their albums. I used to listen to a lot of Sabbath back when I got into metal, plus they kind of helped invent what has become one of my main music genres, so... That's where the vote goes.

Dude111 02-21-2018 04:12 AM

Led zeppelin :)

The only Black Sabbath record I like is the first....... Dont really care for the 2nd,3rd,etc...... It just isnt quite as good as the first album....

Led Zeppelin I like the first,2nd,4th (Zoso) and I have a live concert from them (THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME) and I like that also......

I had Black Sabbaths 1976 record TECHNICAL ECSTASY and i love it but THE VOCALS ARE SO LOW ITS RIDICULOUS! (Ya can barely hear them) -- Very badly produced......

OccultHawk 02-21-2018 06:14 AM

*ZoSo

OccultHawk 02-21-2018 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1928262)
Those were two separate incidents though.

Honestly, I’m amazed anyone doesn’t know this ****.

rubber soul 02-21-2018 06:27 AM

I'm more of a Zep person I guess. Paranoid and Master of Reality are both classic albums but I think Zep was a little more consistent (at least until Presence) imo.

Oriphiel 02-21-2018 06:47 AM

Free > Sabbath >>> Zep

rubber soul 02-21-2018 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1928322)
Free > Sabbath >>> Zep


Sounds like someone has been keeping with bad company :rolleyes:

Plankton 02-21-2018 07:24 AM

If you're a fan of folk rock, then you'll most likely choose Zep, if you're more of the darker metal edge persuasion, then you'll pick Sabbath. For me, it mostly boils down to the two guitar players, with Page being more subtle and organic with a lighter, whimsical approach and Iommi being more straight forward and rigid with darker elements. Being left handed and missing a finger tip had a big role in his choice of guitar timbre. Hence the darker sound.

Personally, I've had a Zeppelin phase and grew out of it, but I've never gotten tired of Sabbath.

Oriphiel 02-21-2018 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul (Post 1928324)
Sounds like someone has been keeping with bad company :rolleyes:

Always

rubber soul 02-21-2018 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1928325)
If you're a fan of folk rock, then you'll most likely choose Zep, if you're more of the darker metal edge persuasion, then you'll pick Sabbath. For me, it mostly boils down to the two guitar players, with Page being more subtle and organic with a lighter, whimsical approach and Iommi being more straight forward and rigid with darker elements. Being left handed and missing a finger tip had a big role in his choice of guitar timbre. Hence the darker sound.

Personally, I've had a Zeppelin phase and grew out of it, but I've never gotten tired of Sabbath.


That's a good point. I am a folk rock fan and I do find that Zep is somewhat more eclectic than your typical metal band. Zeppelin experimented with sounds outside of their blues-rock origins, in particular with folk and reggae. Something like Misty Mountain Hop, for example, even has a little bit of a garage rock vibe.

So, yeah, Zeppelin probably does a little more for me than Sabbath might.

Plankton 02-21-2018 07:46 AM

Sabbath isn't a 'typical' metal band.

rubber soul 02-21-2018 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1928338)
Sabbath isn't a 'typical' metal band.



Maybe not but I bet they never recorded anything country tinged like Black Country Woman or Down By the Seaside.


(Not knocking Sabbath btw, just explaining why I prefer Zep)

Plankton 02-21-2018 08:10 AM

If they had wanted to record something like Black Country Woman or Down by the Seaside, then they may have well just changed their name to "We're Just a Cheap Ripoff of a Folk Rock Band".

Chula Vista 02-21-2018 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1928338)
Sabbath isn't a 'typical' metal band.

More like prototypical.

Do The Beatles, The Who, The Stones, Queen, etc. get points taken off too for branching out past their base sound and exploring other genres?

Frownland 02-21-2018 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1928355)
Do The Beatles, The Who, The Stones, Queen, etc. get points taken off too for branching out past their base sound and exploring other genres?

Why would you take points off of a band for that? I don't get you sometimes man. Plus the more important aspect of that question is whether or not they did it well.

Cuthbert 02-21-2018 09:02 AM

I enjoy a lot more of Sabbath's stuff to Zep's. They have a more pleasing sound to me.

Individual songs, I just love Sabbath more as well. I don't think Zep have ever made anything that is close to being as good as War Pigs. If I compared record to record of the first 6 I think I would prefer all of Sabbath's, except for maybe LZ4. I prefer Ozzy's vocals to Plant's also.

Also most of Zep's stuff doesn't sound Metal imo. I still like them btw. A great Hard Rock band.

Wpnfire 02-21-2018 09:16 AM

Anybody calling Sabbath a typical metal band needs to get their head checked out. Black Sabbath were by far the most important band in the development of heavy metal, they created doom metal, stoner metal, and arguably thrash metal as well. They made the first progressive metal album, and they were highly influential in stoner rock.

There's other things like Bill Ward's crazy-ass drumming, Iommi's use of downtuned guitars, and the frequent use of dissonant riffs.

Plankton 02-21-2018 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1928355)
Do The Beatles, The Who, The Stones, Queen, etc. get points taken off too for branching out past their base sound and exploring other genres?

Points? What? I'm gonna just say **** it. Sure, why not. Yes. They all lose all the points. They're all rounded edges now.

Cuthbert 02-21-2018 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1928365)
Points? What? I'm gonna just say **** it. Sure, why not. Yes. They all lose all the points. Their all rounded edges now.

Change it before Trollheart sees it and inflicts a joke upon us.

Trollheart 02-21-2018 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul (Post 1928324)
Sounds like someone has been keeping with bad company :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1928322)
Free > Sabbath >>> Zep

It's like fire and water.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1928366)
Change it before Trollheart sees it and inflicts a joke upon us.

Too late ... oh. :(
Not sure what joke I could have made, to be honest.

The Batlord 02-21-2018 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1928355)
More like prototypical.

The ****? Sure, they had a lot of influence on metal, but most of it really didn't sound much like Sabbath at all. Doom, stoner, and sludge metal are really the only genres that Sabbath would be prototypical to. Punk really just changed the game far too much for basically all metal after it hit, and even before most bands weren't really aping Sabbath to any great extent.

Plankton 02-21-2018 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1928366)
Change it before Trollheart sees it and inflicts a joke upon us.

I did, like 1/2 a second after posting, you ninja you.

Chula Vista 02-21-2018 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1928376)
Punk really just changed the game far too much for basically all metal after it hit, and even before most bands weren't really aping Sabbath to any great extent.

Fair point. But NWOBHM was a lot of Sabbath based hooks/riffs but at double the tempo. The influence Sabbath had on every hard rock/metal band that came after them is unassailable. (Just for you Monkey-boy)

Plank, seemed like you were faulting Zep for flexing their songwriting muscles and branching out beyond the heavier blues based stuff.

Plankton 02-21-2018 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1928417)
Plank, seemed like you were faulting Zep for flexing their songwriting muscles and branching out beyond the heavier blues based stuff.

Huh???? I haven't faulted anyone for anything. I think you may be letting your emotional attachment to LZ trigger some delusions.

Frownland 02-21-2018 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1928419)
Huh???? I haven't faulted anyone for anything.

who needs reading comprehension when u got zepplin bruh


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