Chula Vista

Same here. Hearing Randy for the first time was just as much of a mind**** as hearing EVH for the first time.

*shakes head* First off, every rock/metal shred dude that came after EVH and Rhoads borrowed a ton of **** from both of them. Secondly, Bucket uninventive? How much Bucket you ever heard son? His canon is so vast and varied that the amount of times he directly apes Rhoads is minuscule. Check out "Octaves of the Holy Innocents" and get back to me. Not a gram of Rhoads on the entire album.

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Having studied and learned stuff from all of them, I consider EVH, Rhoads, and Lynch as the holy trinity of the whole rock/metal shred movement (putting neo-classical aside). Lynch is the hardest of the three to ape because of his unique phrasing, vibrato, whammy work, and his signature lines - which have been described as the sound of putting a cat in a blender - and sound nothing at all like Rhoads or EVH.

On any given day I consider Lynch the best of the three.

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Thanks for the input.

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Chula Vista

Max Norman said that during the BOO and DOAM recording sessions, the band would record the basic tracks and then Randy would take a copy and go into another room all by himself and work out his solos in a very short period of time. He'd then come back into the studio and record the solos. And then record the solos two more times so they could be panned center, far right, and far left.

Norman said he was always blown away how (1) Randy could come up with amazing stuff so quickly, and (2) be able to nail them exactly two more times having just created them. Norman would slightly alter the echo, delay, and modulation to differentiate the 3 takes.

That's what makes Randy's stuff on those albums sound so cool.

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Honestly I don't know atm. I used to be all about Heaven and Hell, but a lot of that kind of metal just doesn't do it for me like it used to. The A-side is still great, but I was never as hot on the B-side, and I can't even remember how it goes anymore.

And Ozzy solo has always been a big step down from his Sabbath days, both in the quality of his performances and the quality of the music. Blizzard also has some seriously duff tracks that make it clear this album was designed for mass appeal rather than as a piece of art that Ozzy cared about. There's simply no way that he thought "Goodbye to Romance" made sense on this album or was in any way proud of it.

TBH though I might have to go with Blizzard. Whatever problems it has Randy Rhoads just has the sickest riffs and an energy that brings the music to life in a way you just don't hear in most likeminded albums. Both Sabbath and Ozzy were clearly competing to find the new sound of metal/rock that would take the genre into the 80s and become commercially successful, but I think Ozzy actually came out with a much more definitive form of melodic metal that clearly defined the next ten years of commercial metal (along with Van Halen obviously, and Motley Crue a year later), and is oddly timeless either in spite or because of it. Listening to it right now and actually digging it a lot more than I usually do.

So I guess I do know and I'll go with Blizzard of Ozz to my considerable surprise.

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Chula Vista

Not at all. Not one bit. Nope. Remove the whammy bar and tapping from both of their bags and you'll find that Randy is the much more accomplished player.

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The first time you heard Eruption? Come on!

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Chula Vista

I said it was a mind ****, but within a year or two you could walk into a bar anywhere and hear players covering it.

Listen to the solo in the live version of Suicide Solution off of Tribute. Come on!

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Hold up on the bait and switch. We’re not arguing who’s better. It’s whose playing made a bigger first impression.

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Chula Vista

Hearing them with my guitarist ears at the time they were first released? They were equally as much of a mind ****. I'd already been thru guys like McLaughlin, Dimeola, and Morse before hearing Eruption so the speed was no big thing. The tapping and extreme whammy bar stuff was the mind **** for me.

With Rhoads it was his incorporation of bits of classical phrasing and his intensity and approach to solos that blew my mind.

P.S. Do you know what song inspired EVH to explore tapping?

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