Summer's got heavier passages though.

VU did it better imo.

Man, Elph told me that (hed) PE was the most pure version of punk.

I don't know why but that guy really likes his (hed) PE.

They didn't do the same thing though? Nobody did what the Ramones did before them. Not to that extreme, and the extreme was the point.

Juggalo buddy before ICP show with (hed)PE supporting: Hed(PE) suck.

After show: Hed(PE) are good.

Not exclusively, but they hit the mark on tracks like Run, Run, Run, Waiting for the Man, and others. They just didn't run their ideas into the ground and explored other things too.

Yeah see you're just missing the point. Those songs are simple as **** rock n roll but the intent and execution are not at all the same. I think you can't see past song structure or something.

You sound like a Tool fan when you defend redundancy like that.

"Yes I know that all of their songs sound the same, but they had different intents and executions between those songs and that incapacity for diverse outcomes is actually a sign of purity."
-Batman

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, but you also shouldn't milk it to death.

No, you twit, the Ramones have different intent and execution than VU. God damn ****ing moron.

Well duh, if they had the same intent and execution they would both suck.

Well then **** off, you useless fifi.

Well at least we agree. I can change the thread title from Ramones to VU if you want.

You can change deez nuts and fill up my sphincter.

Fair, I do prefer VU as a band to be honest. However, I agree with Bat that the Ramones are mure pure Rock 'n Roll

I mean the way the Ramones are a full-blast assault on the senses was something rock was building too obviously but never committed to in such a gloriously myopic fashion. Pointing out that VU were stripped down too is just asinine.

What about Elph being a huge (hed) PE fan.

This is his favorite song about statutory rape.

I'd say that that's only because the VU explored things outside of that sound. When they're exploring pure rock n roll, they're mure pure imo.

Full blast assault? Lol when The Stooges already existed.

Comparing the two bands in any great sense really doesn't make sense tbh. It's like comparing Britney Spears to Bjork or something.

Still missing the target. Only through sheer attitude can the Stooges stand toe to toe with the Ramones when it comes to aural assault. Even a song like "Your Pretty Face Is Going to Hell" is only just competing with "Blitzkrieg Bop", but other than that it's attitude and energy that give the Stooges an edge.

The Ramones were stripped down, a full blast assault, but also tight, fast and gleeful in a way that the stooges and VU never were

It's ridiculous to compare two early punk rock bands?

And still lol @ Ramones being a full blast assault that's a good one bro.

Beyond the things they have in common, yeah. What's the point of talking about "Venus in Furs" or "The Gift" or "Black Angel's Death Song" or "Sister Ray" in comparison to the Ramones?

Bro, you don't hear it? I get that it's easy to see them as lite in 2019 and with Joey as a singer but they're relentless af. They've got a rhythm you have to connect with on more than just an intellectual level but when you do your whole body feels it and I can't say that almost at all about VU or to the same extent for the Stooges.

Just imagine Iggy Pop singing over this.

I don't see the point either which is why I was referring to their songs that explore the stripped down rock n roll sound. Though I'd say that Sister Ray has that definitive energy.

I guess you could call monotony relentless but I think that's pretty deceptive.

Deceptive? What kind of pretentious **** is that? If it works it works.

Edit: oh wait you don't get that song, of course, that's why you think I'm pointing out a song that's monotonous. I'm pointing out a song that's particularly "aggressive" (or the Ramones version) and would suit Iggy more than a poppier song.

Deceptive means misleading. I wouldn't call that track relentless.

see edit

I'm honestly assuming you just missed that the song wasn't randomly chosen cause you just can't tell the difference between any given Ramones song.

Ok.

I still wouldn't call it relentless. It has some aggression, sure, but nothing that stacks up to The Stooges.

Shrug. I guess being a former right winger puts me on Johnny's wavelength. You're missing out.

I mean but for ****'s sake the way Johnny plays! Those notes are magnetically attached and there's so much energy and it's more exhausting than bands that play three times as fast.

Great song and from any other band it would be considered stone cold proto-punk but you're still a plebe and Johnny > Jimmy.

Good one, Chula.

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well you sure put me in my place

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Soggy ****hole.

I think he doesn't understand the concept.