Is There a Ramones of Metal?
 

And by that I mean a metal band or even just album that strips metal down to its most necessary and important components in a way that that defines what metal is in a way that the Ramones stripped down rock and roll and defined what rock and roll is in its most pure form?

Venom kinda did but I think they weren't a good enough band to realize this idea. They were a band who exemplified the idea of the Ramones without being good enough to exemplify the promise of the Ramones. I think if metal had a Ramones it would be in Norwegian black metal, but unfortunately I'm not really a fan of Darkthrone or Mayhem to appreciate if they qualify. The only album by these bands to connect with me in a real way is Mayhem's Live in Leipzig and it is in fact the one metal album I can think of that would qualify as "metal's Ramones album".

What say ye?

They don't call them Metallica for nothing.

Jk. It's actually Vivaldi.

No but

AC/DC comes closest

Jokes aside Metallica have a legit claim to that title with their first album. It's the most pure metal for metal's sake album ever made and has that innocence of a Ramones record. So yeah I'd agree. "Hit the Lights" is almost a metal Ramones song tb-****ing-honest. It's everything that was metal up to that point with all the unfiltered joy of being metal that the Ramones had for rock so yeah absolutely. And then you have "The Four Horsemen" which was everything that metal was building to, "Jump in the Fire" which was the most fun metal riff song ever recorded at the time which was pure Ramones, and that's just for starters. So yeah I'd say Kill Em All legit has claim to being metal's Ramones record.

I mean that point where Metallica switch riffs in "Four Horsemen" and go "Time, taking a toll on you," is the most metal thing of ever in a way that's the most punk thing the Ramones ever did in their own songs. There's a reason I'm willing to call Kill Em All possibly the greatest metal album of all time.

AC/DC are more of a blues rock band on steroids than a metal band. Obviously it's arguable if that's the ****ing point but I still see them as a rock band rather than a metal band.

No ****ing way. Get the **** out of here with that bull****.

I knew you’d say AC/DC aren’t metal.

I disagree strongly.

Bruh do you not get the innocence of Metallica's first album? I think there's an entire world you need to discover with that ****. Metallica's first album is one of the most pure musical statements there is.

Mondo, Frown and that teacher guy who's name escapes me have great metal recs.

Blarob - he’s the best metalhead on the forum imo

I’m disgusted that you could say this. Don’t even reply I’m not checking this thread again.

There’s only one Ramones. Metallica’s debut can suck **** from my ass (in comparison) You’re a Judas.

Ja that comparison is way off base. Metallica doesn't suck.

Quit being such a stupid ****.

So it's a pretty fair comparison.

^ you don't like the Ramones?

They're okay. I mostly just find it funny how their formulaic nature is being rebranded as some kind of purity.

It's a revolutionary, pure formula

Maybe if they started in the 50s.

But they distilled rock 'n roll to make punk in a way that had not been done before. Wouldn't that be just as revolutionary in the 70s as in the 50s?

If the Velvet Underground or The Monks didn't exist, sure.

Surely the Ramones weren't the first to 'invent' part of what would become punk, they are not super revolutionary by that fact. But don't you think they did so in a different way than those other bands, that they came up with different ideas and another sound which is in itself revolutionary enough?

They have their own sound that they ran into the ground, sure. I don't consider them the touchstone though, I prefer to go deeper. I actually wasn't kidding with my original answer of Vivaldi for this thread.

You mean a touchstone of rock 'n roll essence? And by deeper you mean deeper into the past?
So you consider Vivaldi a touchstone of metal? That's funny, I know a metalhead who is particularly fond of Vivaldi

He prefers something that makes him sound pretentious by bringing it up. It's not really a shock that a wannabe who makes twenty minute long songs for no reason doesn't get the Ramones.

Yep, I meant the true origin point and I'd say that's Vivaldi

That's not true, I also make 30 minute songs.

Lol @ not getting it. Did it take you a while to or what?

#justemoboythings

Ramones is to VU as Nickelback is to Nirvana.

I mean aside from being sarcastic what personality does Frown actually have? Of course he can't connect with bands that are all about personality.

Just because I'm not willing to overly romanticize Led Zeppelin doesn't mean that I don't get em mate.

The closest I've seen to personality in his music taste is the less pretentious artists he likes for nostalgic reasons.

I never thought about my own personality when listening to The Ramones, you both raise a good point. I'll approach them more self-centredly and will report back.

Anyways, 1:19 is hella metal



Did you mean to post this in the unpopular opinions thread?

Using Bat's criteria in his opening statement, I'd have to go with Motorhead. However Lemmy would argue that Motorhead was not a Metal band. Just a Rock 'n Roll band. The thing that Motorhead shared with The Ramones was they never changed their sound. Lemmy stuck to formula the same way The Ramones did. Furthermore Lemmy was also a huge fan of The Ramones, obviously. R.A.M.O.N.E.S. Ramones!!

We wanna be like Status Quo and go on forever. Chuck Berry never changed. Little Richard never changed. I’d rather be like that and stick to a formula we’re happy with. -- Lemmy Kilmister (ZigZag, 1980)

https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...life-in-quotes

Out of all the criteria set forth and arguments thus supporting such claims. I decided to look at the problem from the most quintessential and fundamental basis of comparison and chosen black leather jackets as the most important criterion of all criteria.

Judas Priest are the Ramones of Heavy Metal.

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Now I wish Johnny Ramone and Rob Halford had been in a band together just for the awkward silences.

Hey if Sammy Hagar can join Van Halen, or Blaze Bayley can join Iron Maiden ... who knows how great if could be? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Probably should've posted this in my previous reply, but epic nonetheless.

the Winter movement is way more metal

The true origin point does not have to be the purest essence though. I'd say that's what happens with the ramones: they are not the true origin point of punk, and certainly not of rock 'n roll, but they stripped it down to its essence in an unique, unparalleled way I think