The Rolling Stones or the Beatles? (alternative, metal, pop, rap)

sleepy jack · 06-06-2007, 08:06 PM

I don't understand the Sgt. Peppers hate seriously, With A Little Help From My Friends? When I'm Sixty-Four? YESSSSSSSSS. I mean I know people hate McCartney but he was fucking awesome in the beatles. Eleanor Rigby is basically the best beatles song ever.

boo boo · 06-06-2007, 08:10 PM

Who do you like more Mccartney or Lennon? Kind of a tie for me.

My fav Lennon tunes are Srawberry Fields Forever, Norwegian Wood, Tomorrow Never Knows, I Am The Walrus, Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds, Dear Prudence, Happiness Is A Warm Gun, I Want You (She's so heavy), In My Life, Sexy Sady, Revolution, Across the Universe, Julia and Because.

My fav McCartney tunes are The Fool on the Hill, Fixing a Hole, Hello Goodbye, Eleanor Rigby, For No One, Michelle, When I'm Sixty-Four, Blackbird, Mother Nature's Son, Helter Skelter, You Never Give Me Your Money, She Came In Through The Bathroom Window, Hey Jude and of course Yesterday.

George Harrison was very very underrated as a songwriter too. Taxman, Something, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Within You Without You, Here Comes the Sun, If I Needed Someone, Think For Yourself, I Need You, If I Needed Someone, I Me Mine, Love You To, etc. Overall John and Paul did hold him back as a songwriter, tis a shame.

sleepy jack · 06-06-2007, 08:13 PM

I know i'm just using it as an example of McCartney having the ability to pwn and pwn good.

Seltzer · 06-06-2007, 08:32 PM

Definitely, I love McCartney. Great songwriter and bassist. He doesn't seem to get enough recognition nowadays.

Revolver is probably my favourite album of theirs.

boo boo · 06-06-2007, 08:35 PM

Then theres A Day in the Life, a brilliant collaboration between John and Paul. Forgot to mention that it's probably my favorite Beatles song.

Danny · 06-07-2007, 07:37 PM

I like the Rolling Stones more because The Beatles are just way too mellow for my tastes...

almauro · 06-08-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Eleanor Rigby is basically the best beatles song ever.

You Beatle fans are living in the past. ER was simple song recorded during an innocent era that's long gone. The best bands are the ones that are most influential, outside of their era. That's what you call timeless. The Stones created modern rock music and flourished, while the Beatles collapsed. A big reason why the Beatles couldn’t survive in this new era was because they didn’t possess the level of musicianship of the Stones, the Who, Cream, Jim Hendrix, etc. The era of the Beatles’ simple pop tunes (Eleanor Rigby, etc.) gave way to the Super Group, so realizing they were no match musically, they wisely quit. Left alone at the top, the Stones went on to influence many bands including Aerosmith and AC/DC (Bon Scott era), both harder rocking rhythm and blues bands. Motorhead then took hard rock R&B and speeded it up. Metallica followed Motorhead and added and Industrial influence, turning the rhythm guitar into a jackhammer and turning the blues based guitar solos into a tour de force blitz krieg. After Metallica, Sepultura elevated the guitar rhythms to an extreme level. The core groove or “head-banging” experienced in thrash and first generation of death metal all directly relates back to the R&B hard rock created by Stones. On the other hand, the Beatles influence died with them in the late 60’s.

sleepy jack · 06-08-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by almauro

You Beatle fans are living in the past. ER was simple song recorded during an innocent era that's long gone. The best bands are the ones that are most influential, outside of their era. That's what you call timeless. The Stones created modern rock music and flourished, while the Beatles collapsed. A big reason why the Beatles couldn’t survive in this new era was because they didn’t possess the level of musicianship of the Stones, the Who, Cream, Jim Hendrix, etc. The era of the Beatles’ simple pop tunes (Eleanor Rigby, etc.) gave way to the Super Group, so realizing they were no match musically, they wisely quit. Left alone at the top, the Stones went on to influence many bands including Aerosmith and AC/DC (Bon Scott era), both harder rocking rhythm and blues bands. Motorhead then took hard rock R&B and speeded it up. Metallica followed Motorhead and added and Industrial influence, turning the rhythm guitar into a jackhammer and turning the blues based guitar solos into a tour de force blitz krieg. After Metallica, Sepultura elevated the guitar rhythms to an extreme level. The core groove or “head-banging” experienced in thrash and first generation of death metal all directly relates back to the R&B hard rock created by Stones. On the other hand, the Beatles influence died with them in the late 60’s.

I thought I was actually going to have to type up a reply to this but after reading it, not really. The Beatles influence didn't die in the sixties, you just have to be aware theirs more to music than radio rock and metal. Oh in case weren't aware either AC/DC and Aerosmith aren't modern rock anymore, they're the same dinosaur **** the Stones are and Metallica and Sepultura formed in the 80s, i'd consider that very far in the past. Which makes the "YOU BEATLES FANS" comment hilariously hypocritical, oh and the Stones didn't invent the guitar just so you know.

And simple pop tunes? Give me a break, when I hear Donny and Maria singing lyrics like Eleanor Rigby i'll admit you're right but until then keep your mouth and hands closed.

boo boo · 06-08-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by almauro

You Beatle fans are living in the past. ER was simple song recorded during an innocent era that's long gone.

Yeah, every rock band was doing the chamber music think back in the day.

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The best bands are the ones that are most influential, outside of their era. That's what you call timeless.

Its a shame The Beatles have no influence whatsoever.

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The Stones created modern rock music and flourished, while the Beatles collapsed.

I assume that every time a band breaks up it counts as a collapse.. Surely its not because they knew when to quit rather than unleash upon their loyal fans 30 years worth of godawful music like The Stones have. Surely not.

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A big reason why the Beatles couldn’t survive in this new era was because they didn’t possess the level of musicianship of the Stones, the Who, Cream, Jim Hendrix, etc.

I know more about musicianship than you probably do, The Beatles were much better musicians than The Stones.

Clapton himself will testify that Harrison was one of the best guitarists around, he thought more highly of him then he ever did of Richards, Jones, Taylor or Wood. Also The Beatles influenced Hendrix more than The Stones did.

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The era of the Beatles’ simple pop tunes (Eleanor Rigby, etc.) gave way to the Super Group, so realizing they were no match musically, they wisely quit.

Thats not why they quit you goddamn f*cking retard.

"Oh my, we're no match for those Rolling Stones and their overly repetitive blues riffs and their racist and sexist lyrics, lets break up the biggest rock band of all time"
- Paul McCartney

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Left alone at the top, the Stones went on to influence many bands including Aerosmith and AC/DC (Bon Scott era), both harder rocking rhythm and blues bands.

I see their influence was very diverse.

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Motorhead then took hard rock R&B and speeded it up. Metallica followed Motorhead and added and Industrial influence, turning the rhythm guitar into a jackhammer and turning the blues based guitar solos into a tour de force blitz krieg. After Metallica, Sepultura elevated the guitar rhythms to an extreme level. The core groove or “head-banging” experienced in thrash and first generation of death metal all directly relates back to the R&B hard rock created by Stones.

Do my eyes decieve me? Did you just credit The Rolling Stones for DEATH METAL?

Big3 and Urban. If you continue to side with this guy, I hereby request that both of you have your mod status revoked.

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On the other hand, the Beatles influence died with them in the late 60’s.

Yep, influencing everything from Progressive Rock and Power Pop to Alternative Rock and Indie is no match for influencing Motorhead.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-08-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by almauro

You Beatle fans are living in the past. ER was simple song recorded during an innocent era that's long gone. The best bands are the ones that are most influential, outside of their era. That's what you call timeless. The Stones created modern rock music and flourished, while the Beatles collapsed. A big reason why the Beatles couldn’t survive in this new era was because they didn’t possess the level of musicianship of the Stones, the Who, Cream, Jim Hendrix, etc. The era of the Beatles’ simple pop tunes (Eleanor Rigby, etc.) gave way to the Super Group, so realizing they were no match musically, they wisely quit. Left alone at the top, the Stones went on to influence many bands including Aerosmith and AC/DC (Bon Scott era), both harder rocking rhythm and blues bands. Motorhead then took hard rock R&B and speeded it up. Metallica followed Motorhead and added and Industrial influence, turning the rhythm guitar into a jackhammer and turning the blues based guitar solos into a tour de force blitz krieg. After Metallica, Sepultura elevated the guitar rhythms to an extreme level. The core groove or “head-banging” experienced in thrash and first generation of death metal all directly relates back to the R&B hard rock created by Stones. On the other hand, the Beatles influence died with them in the late 60’s.

As A Stones fan I can honestly say this is the worst kind of one sided drivel that make these Stones/Beatles debates so tedious to read. Beatles influence ending in the late 60s... HUH????
Have you ever heard any 80s indie , you don't think 70s soft rock owed a debt to them, what about 90s britpop with Oasis and the like? Or on the U.S. side with the Elephant 6 collective?
At least listen to some other music outside of metal before dismissing the whole of it.

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06-06-2007, 08:32 PM	#44 (permalink)
Seltzer Fish in the percolator! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hobbit Land NZ Posts: 2,870	Definitely, I love McCartney. Great songwriter and bassist. He doesn't seem to get enough recognition nowadays. Revolver is probably my favourite album of theirs. __________________ In the Court of King Crimson \| Last.fm \| RYM Last edited by Seltzer; 06-06-2007 at 08:41 PM.

06-07-2007, 07:37 PM	#46 (permalink)
Danny Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 64	I like the Rolling Stones more because The Beatles are just way too mellow for my tastes...