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The Monkey 06-24-2008 11:24 AM

Favorite Beatles album?
 
I hope this is the right section...

British_pharaoh 06-24-2008 11:48 AM

White Album
Revolver
Rubber Soul
Sgt Pepper


that would be my ranking

Rainard Jalen 06-24-2008 11:59 AM

It would be a great pity if the White Album wins this.

Abbey Road, and a tie between Sgt Pepper and Revolver.

Loser 06-24-2008 12:46 PM

duh the mystery tour...Second would be Sgt. Pepper....I love those albums equally but I had to go witht he one I tend to listen to more.

The Monkey 06-24-2008 01:13 PM

For me it's (in order):
Revolver
Sgt. Pepper
Rubber Soul
Abbey Road
White Album

Piss Me Off 06-24-2008 01:28 PM

Revolver is always the one i tend to tell myself i like the most. I think as far as a compact collection of brilliant songs go it's the best, and it's in that transition period where they're still playing great pop songs but are starting to get a bit more experimental.

Beany 06-24-2008 01:43 PM

Rubber Soul. If just for In My Life!

British_pharaoh 06-24-2008 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 492673)
It would be a great pity if the White Album wins this.

Abbey Road, and a tie between Sgt Pepper and Revolver.

this post reeks of idiocy

jackhammer 06-24-2008 04:28 PM

Abbey Road for me.

Seltzer 06-24-2008 05:42 PM

1.) Abbey Road
2.) Revolver
3.) Sgt Pepper

Ghostrider 06-24-2008 05:51 PM

1st Abbey Road
2nd Sgt. Pepper's
3rd Rubber Soul

boo boo 06-24-2008 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 492673)
It would be a great pity if the White Album wins this.

Why? Whats so damn wrong with people prefering that album? It really shows the flexibility of John, Paul and Georges songwriting talents. And it's my 4th favorite Beatles album after Sgt Peppers, Abbey Road and Revolver.

Double X 06-24-2008 08:14 PM

1. Abbey Road
2. Sgt. Pepper's
3. Revolver
4. Magical Mystery Tour
5. White Album
6. Rubber Soul
7. Let It Be
8. Help!

Love 'em all to death though.

Son of JayJamJah 06-24-2008 10:02 PM

Abbey Road
Revolver
Sgt. Peppers

Zombeels 06-24-2008 11:10 PM

Abbey Road

Rainard Jalen 06-25-2008 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 492780)
Why? Whats so damn wrong with people prefering that album? It really shows the flexibility of John, Paul and Georges songwriting talents. And it's my 4th favorite Beatles album after Sgt Peppers, Abbey Road and Revolver.

Because it's the one album where the Beatles stop being The Beatles and try to be everything else, everything they were not. If one loves the Beatles for the Beatles, then they ought to love Sgt Peppers, Abbey Road and Revolver more than the self-titled. Aside from that, the album is a disjointed incoherent mess on which the songwriters are CLEARLY not on the same page as each other - it might as well for much of it be a merged compilation of solo EPs. So why a Beatles fan would prefer it to the albums where The Beatles were actually on the same page is beyond me and I think it's a pity that in many circles The White Album has come to be seen as the band's masterwork.

Other than that, it's an enjoyable record and also my 4th favourite after the other three. I could tie it with Rubber Soul too, I reckon.

ProggyMan 06-25-2008 12:40 AM

I like The Beatles cus it has the best Beatles songs.

boo boo 06-25-2008 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 492889)
Because it's the one album where the Beatles stop being The Beatles and try to be everything else, everything they were not. If one loves the Beatles for the Beatles, then they ought to love Sgt Peppers, Abbey Road and Revolver more than the self-titled.

That makes no sense. Sgt Peppers and Abbey Road sound absolutely nothing like The Beatles when they first got popular. Hell, the best Beatles albums are the ones that sound the least like The Beatles.

And its retarded to hate on a album just because its a great departure in style. By that logic you should consider David Bowie's Low to be one of the worst albums ever made.

The White Album has a few lousy filler tracks like Wild Honey Pie, Piggies, Don't Let Me Down and Revolution 9. But most of the tracks are great, and Dear Prudence, Happiness is a Warm Gun, Helter Skelter, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Julia, Blackbird, Glass Onion and Sexy Sadie are among the very best Beatles songs.

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Aside from that, the album is a disjointed incoherent mess on which the songwriters are CLEARLY not on the same page as each other - it might as well for much of it be a merged compilation of solo EPs.
And whats wrong with that? Why can't an album just be judged by the quality of the songs?

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So why a Beatles fan would prefer it to the albums where The Beatles were actually on the same page is beyond me and I think it's a pity that in many circles The White Album has come to be seen as the band's masterwork.
You make no sense. All of the best Beatles albums are the ones that consists of songs that were written solely by one person. As opposed to their earlier stuff where Lennon and McCartney were tight collaberators and Harrison had very little to say. The Beatles were at their BEST when each member started having more control over his own vision.

Zombeels 06-25-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 493038)

The White Album has a few lousy filler tracks like Wild Honey Pie, Piggies, Don't Let Me Down and Revolution 9.

Hey! I love Piggies, it's a great song. Don't Let Me Down was not on the White Album.

boo boo 06-25-2008 10:44 PM

DAMMIT.

I meant Don't Pass My By.

Don't Let Me Down was a wonderful song, sorry for the confusion.

Rainard Jalen 06-25-2008 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 493038)
That makes no sense. Sgt Peppers and Abbey Road sound absolutely nothing like The Beatles when they first got popular. Hell, the best Beatles albums are the ones that sound the least like The Beatles.

It wasn't about what they "sound like". It's about being true to yourself. The Beatles went from a beat band, to slowly emerging as a full fledged folk rock band in 1965. But then, in 1966, they abandoned rock'n'roll and rock'n'roll trends altogether in order to get closer to pop. And so, out came the Brill Building-inspired Revolver, an album dedicated to highly-sophisticated and immaculately arranged pop compositions like the Beatles had never done before. This is what the Beatles were destined to become: John and Paul finally play to their ultimate strengths (both were geniuses of melody) and stop trying to rock out and keep up with the rock'n'roll crowd. This was the Beatles. They were finally truly an entity unto themselves. They had found their niche, they had made themselves truly important and vital as songwriters by making such a masterwork of an album. Sgt Pepper continued along the same lines and took this idea even further, the result being the most sophisticated pop album there had ever been.

And then they reverse all of that with The White Album. Instead of trying to push even further, they become trend followers again and try this time to be all those other contemporary styles that in reality they really were not. The icing on the cake is Revolution 9, the avant-garde jam that everybody else with any interest in that sorta thing (e.g. Fugs, Zappa) did 2 years earlier: at least do it when it's still relevant! Anyway...

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And its retarded to hate on a album just because its a great departure in style. By that logic you should consider David Bowie's Low to be one of the worst albums ever made.
It's not that it's a departure in style, it's that it's a departure from personal exploration and development.

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The White Album has a few lousy filler tracks like Wild Honey Pie, Piggies, Don't Let Me Down and Revolution 9. But most of the tracks are great, and Dear Prudence, Happiness is a Warm Gun, Helter Skelter, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Julia, Blackbird, Glass Onion and Sexy Sadie are among the very best Beatles songs.
I think Glass Onion is trash, the others are very good songs and I could include many more on top of that from the same album. Still, few really hold a candle to the best of Revolver and Sgt Pepper.

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And whats wrong with that? Why can't an album just be judged by the quality of the songs?
Isn't the LP by that point supposed to be the unified statement? At any rate, I think one'd be hard-pressed to argue that the pure quality of the songs matches the output of the previous two years (including Magical Mystery Tour double EP and the singles like Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields).

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You make no sense. All of the best Beatles albums are the ones that consists of songs that were written solely by one person. As opposed to their earlier stuff where Lennon and McCartney were tight collaberators and Harrison had very little to say. The Beatles were at their BEST when each member started having more control over his own vision.
Yeah, true, yet they still kept in mind the point that they were writing material for a single album and hence stayed on the same page as much as that was possible without obstructing their own personal goals. Thus, the conceptual unity of those albums (including Abbey Road). The White Album is the one where they are truly not on the same page and might as well be writing solo records.

Zombeels 06-26-2008 12:11 AM

I don't care how analytical you get about the white album...it's still a ****ing great album and most bands would kill to have an album half as good.

Rainard Jalen 06-26-2008 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Zombeels (Post 493104)
I don't care how analytical you get about the white album...it's still a ****ing great album and most bands would kill to have an album half as good.

That might or might not be true. Hell, it probably is true. But it's totally immaterial to what I said, which is that it is not the Beatles' best album by any stretch of the imagination, however good it is by general standards.

The Monkey 06-26-2008 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 493117)
That might or might not be true. Hell, it probably is true. But it's totally immaterial to what I said, which is that it is not the Beatles' best album by any stretch of the imagination, however good it is by general standards.

Jeez, relax.

Who does everyone have to be of the same opinion as you?

Rainard Jalen 06-26-2008 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey (Post 493143)
Jeez, relax.

Who does everyone have to be of the same opinion as you?

There was no claim that they did have to. I was expressing MY opinion on every count. Even when I expressed that I feel it would be a pity if the White Album won, that is also my opinion. As others have said countless times before, this is an internet message board. People post their opinions and may be very opinionated at that. That's kinda the point.

boo boo 06-26-2008 07:49 PM

Glass Onion is a an awesome and funny song, how in the hell could you not like that song?

Double X 06-26-2008 08:04 PM

I think if we did balloting, Pepper would come out much higher because the people that voted Revolver or Abbey Road probably have Pepper at 2nd. I know I would.

lucifer_sam 06-27-2008 08:56 PM

Yeah, I know what you mean. I was real surprised virtually noone voted for Peppers. But the real mystery is...

Where is Magical Mystery Tour? I really liked it, and after Abbey Road, The White Album, and Peppers, it may be my next favorite album.

In the manner that musical albums should be constructed, Peppers is virtually flawless. A Day in the Life really cuts it at the end.

boo boo 06-28-2008 02:03 AM

Look again, it's up there.

Rainard Jalen 06-28-2008 02:42 AM

I don't think MMT LP should count as it wasn't a studio album but a compilation contrived by Capitol records because they felt the EP format didn't sell well in the USA. It is basically the Magical Mystery Tour double EP on the first side plus the non-album singles and B-sides of the period on the second side.

boo boo 06-28-2008 04:30 AM

So what? It was still released as an LP regardless if The Beatles intended it or not, that shouldn't mean it dosen't count.

Even if it was Capital, they made a great LP, it should have been an LP in the first place, the songs fit together perfectly.

Rainard Jalen 06-28-2008 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 493581)
So what? It was still released as an LP regardless if The Beatles intended it or not, that shouldn't mean it dosen't count.

Even if it was Capital, they made a great LP, it should have been an LP in the first place, the songs fit together perfectly.

It's an LP in no more of a sense than any compilation is.

lucifer_sam 06-28-2008 09:55 PM

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It's an LP in no more of a sense than any compilation is.
But that's what an album is. It is a compilation of songs that have been pre-mixed and a producer decides which songs should go where. I'm not saying there isn't some cohesive theme in the writing of any album. But it's not like they said, "Hmmm. This song sounds good. Which song should we write to follow it up with on the album?" And in the case of MMT, it was a bunch of songs that actually FIT together. Isn't that what an album is?

But overall, I really think it's hard to try and argue one Beatles album's strengths over another. They were mostly amazing albums. I say mostly because (apart from petulant teenagers) who the **** actually enjoyed early Beatles? Please Please Me made me cry (and no, not in the good way).

Rainard Jalen 06-28-2008 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 493705)
But that's what an album is. It is a compilation of songs that have been pre-mixed and a producer decides which songs should go where. I'm not saying there isn't some cohesive theme in the writing of any album. But it's not like they said, "Hmmm. This song sounds good. Which song should we write to follow it up with on the album?" And in the case of MMT, it was a bunch of songs that actually FIT together. Isn't that what an album is?

A studio album is an album which was A, recorded in connected studio sessions, and B, has a set of songs that were intended by the band to appear on one record. That is a distinct difference. I can't actually believe it if you are trying to break down the barrier between studio albums and compilations of songs that weren't intended for one record. What's more, a band too might well decide upon the order of tracks, not just the producer.

But the most crucial distinction is that a studio album is one on which a number of songs appear that were intended to belong together on a single record. This is not the case with MMT LP.



As for early Beatles, the originals on Please Please Me are good; With The Beatles is trash; Hard Day's Night has some excellent ballads and beat numbers on it; Beatles For Sale has a number of pretty good originals on it; Help is mostly filler but the filler is pretty good and catchy, and the strong songs on it are excellent.

boo boo 06-28-2008 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 493592)
It's an LP in no more of a sense than any compilation is.

Which is why Past Masters Vol 1 & 2 also should have been added to the poll.

The Monkey 06-30-2008 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 493715)
Which is why Past Masters Vol 1 & 2 also should have been added to the poll.

What? Since when is greatest hits and best of albums included in polls like these?

How can you seriously compare the two, do you really think that Magical Mystery Tour is a greatest hits album?

Rainard Jalen 06-30-2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey (Post 493976)
What? Since when is greatest hits and best of albums included in polls like these?

How can you seriously compare the two, do you really think that Magical Mystery Tour is a greatest hits album?

Go read the rest of the discussion. And Magical Mysery Tour LP on the second side IS somewhat of a "greatest hits compilation" for 1966-1967.

sleepy jack 07-03-2008 10:22 AM

Rubber Soul>The White Album>Revolver>Abbey Road>Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band>Magical Mystery Tour>Let It Be>Help!>The rest

ProggyMan 07-03-2008 07:29 PM

Rubber Soul...It doesn't have enough songs to justify the filler (White album).

Double X 07-03-2008 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 494821)
Rubber Soul>The White Album>Revolver>Abbey Road>Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band>Magical Mystery Tour>Let It Be>Help!>The rest

You know...I never really fell in love with Rubber Soul. Girl, Nowhere Man, In My Life, and Norwegian Wood are all splendid songs, but Wait and You Won't See Me are throwaways. The rest of the songs are very solid, Think For Yourself is a personal favorite of mine. Now that doesn't sound like a bad album, but when you compare it to Revolver, I think Revolver passes it lyrically, vocally, and instrumentally.

- George works much more on the sitar (Love You To) and releases two other great songs.
- All of McCartney's numbers are much stronger
- Lennon experiments much more


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