Neapolitan

That comment does not fly here because first you have to know who we are talking about before you can call them "posers."

Please understand this is a discussion of drummers who write lyrics. I am not aware that Buddy Rich wrote lyrics, please name a song he wrote. And then explain how it is better then a song by Rush or Traffic or Hüsker Dü, or better than Christian Vander the German soccer player Comus mentioned.

boo boo

You guys need to remember context.

Grant Hart and Buddy Rich don't count, they're technically not rock n roll, classic rock or 60s rock drummers.

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Max Roach

Just throwing it out there.....

Neapolitan

True,

OK, I let Grant Hart (Hüsker Dü) slide, but I don't like when someone pops in just to call everyone mentioned a "poser," especially Jim Capaldi a "poser" when in all probability he never heard of a single song by Traffic.

C Perauto

you can rule out Dave Clark, he never wrote a lyric in his life. He owned the band the "Dave Clark Five",he employed the other four guys and paid them a weekly wage. As such they were contacted to write songs and he was always credited as co-writer even though he never wrote a word. As for the songs such as "Because" and "Anyway you want it" which are solely credited to "Dave Clark" he actually bought them from songwriter Ron Ryan and put his name to them!
Before anyone says "What about Time the Musical" ? Well he bought that too, it wasn't his idea or his music as he claims.
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Neapolitan

Well that Rotten Tottenham charlatan, all this time I thought he wrote the lyrics, I'm stunned...
Well, not that I'm challenging the veracity of your statement but how do you know?

boo boo

Well it's certainly not Ringo.

Phil Collins is an underrated songwriter and drummer I think. His solo stuff is really awful but he wrote some great stuff with Genesis.

And just to make you all mad, I choose Don Henley.

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Seltzer

To quote Holly (Red Dwarf) on parallel universes:

Well, for instance in this universe, it could be that Hitler won the Second World War. It could be something even more incredible, like perhaps Ringo was a really good drummer.

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boo boo

But he was a really good drummer.

Now if there was a paralell universe where he was a great songwriter, that would be something.

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C Perauto

Been a follower of the group for years, there are a lot of websites around with very interesting info on what went on in that band. I got a chance to speak to Mike Smith when he toured the US a few years back with his "Rock Engine". He was very critical of Clark's using his name on the songs he (Smith ), Davidson and Payton wrote. There's a guy in the UK called Ron Ryan who has a very good website called Ron Ryan Music ( it won't let me post the link as I'm a new member) where he tells how Clark "conned" him out of his songwriting credits.
In addition of course is the basic fact that Clark didn't drum on any of the records either, that was UK session drummer Bobby Graham. It's sad for the other guys in the group that the guy taking all the credit and kudos is basically "economical with the truth" , maybe they should have been named the "Fake Clark Five".
One other lovely bit of exaggeration is on record sales. At the height of the group's success around 1965 they put out an album claiming on the sleeve they'd sold 35 million records. In 1993 they ( Clark) released the group's first cd , in the liner notes he claimed the group had sold 50 million records even though they'd released nothing since 1977. The cd failed chartwise and Clark never released another album until 2008. The sleeve notes on that says the group sold 100 million records. So effectively with no product on the market they double their world wide sales in 15 years! Some achievement by anyones standards!