Born in the wrong generation

TheBig3 · 12-06-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

TheBig3, half the time I don't know what the **** you're on about and this is one of those occasions.

But The White Stripes main input has been in the 00s, all their best stuff has come out in the 00s.
De Stijll, White Blood Cells, Elephant.
They're very much a 00s band for me.

I know, I agree with you.

TheCunningStunt · 12-06-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k

They are.
As I said, I didn't check that.
But I mentioned quite some other names.
I personally think the 80's were an awful time, musically speaking.
I once tried to make a list of 25 bands from the 80's that are really good.
I don't have to like them, I just want to be able to say: Taste aside, that's quality music.

I couldn't do it...

1) The Pixies
2) The Smiths
3) Dinosaur JR
4) Sonic Youth
5) Jesus & Mary Chain
6) Joy Division
7) Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
8) The Wedding Present
9) R.E.M
10) The Stone Roses
11) The Cure
12) The Fall
13) The Feelies
14) The Flaming Lips
15) The Jam
16) Violent Femmes
17) Dead Kennedys
18) The Replacements
19) Hüsker Dü
20) XTC
21) Meat Puppets
22) X
23) Echo & The Bunnymen
24) Galaxie 500
25) The Cramps

I could go on...
The 80s were great.

s_k · 12-06-2010, 08:41 PM

You impress me man.

TheCunningStunt · 12-06-2010, 09:21 PM

I do try, so what's not to like about the 80s? (apart from the obvious)
Loads of great bands out there. How couldn't you think of a measly 25 good ones?

Zaqarbal · 12-07-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by s_k

I personally think the 80's were an awful time, musically speaking.

I don't think so. But even supposing it is true (according to you), that would be a "too anglocentric" statement. In some non-English music scenes, the 80's are regarded as "the golden age". For instance, in Yugoslavia and the Hispanic world, as Drankrsta, Scissorman and I are showing at the two respective threads in the World Music section.

~~Dirty~~ · 12-07-2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

Gotta disagree with you there. 90s rap is head and shoulders above the 80s or 2000s. There was some good stuff that came out of those decades too, but not close to what came out in the 90s.

I think a lot of the albums that came out in the 90s are the best ever.

Nas - Illmatic
Wu Tang - 36 Chambers, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx (Raekwon), Liquid Swords (GZA), Wu Tang Forever, Tical (Method Man)
Dr Dre - The Chronic
Biggie - Life After Death, Ready to Die
2Pac - Me Against the World
Eminem - Slim Shady LP
Jay Z - Reasonable Doubt
Ice Cube - AmeriKKKas Most Wanted
Big L - Lifestylez of da poor and dangerous
Mos Def - Black on Both Sides (and Blackstar stuff)

The list goes on and on. 90s was amazing and truly is the golden age of rap

Big3, still think the 90s wasn't the golden age for rap?? I mean really, there were at least double the amount of great rap CDs that came out in the 90s than probably the 80s and 2000s combined.

**Janszoon** · 12-07-2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

First of all, I was born in 1990 so yeah, I don't "remember" the 90s very well. Excuse me for still trying to join in on the conversation.

Easy homes. I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing at the difference in perspective. I'm sure my take on the late 70s and early 80s is different than someone who remembers it well. It's just funny to me how different it is to experience the music of a certain period firsthand versus looking at it in retrospect with all crappiest stuff filtered out.

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

I don't know why we are talking about Top 40 radio. I don't give a **** about Top 40 radio, it almost always sucks. But mainstream *rock* radio was as great as it has ever been. A band like Primus went platinum *twice* for ****s sake. That is success, no matter how you try to twist it. Yeah, there was no internet, but MTV also didn't completely ignore the underground back then. Dinosaur Jr. and Sonic Youth had very successful videos on MTV, while they were also giving indie legends like Pavement and Superchunk a nugget from time-to-time too.

I think since you didn't really experience a lot of it firsthand you have some kind of mistaken impressions of the 90s. For one thing, for the first half of the 90s mainstream rock radio played stuff like Aerosmith, Tom Petty and Van Halen with a little Nirvana and Pearl Jam sprinkled in here and there as it got toward the middle of the decade. Around 1995 the mainstream rock stations largely changed format to be "alternative", but a lot of that was lame post-grunge stuff with more and more nu-metal as the 90s came to a close.

As far as MTV goes, I'm sure 120 Minutes (a staple of my early teens I must say) played Sonic Youth and Dinosaur Jr. videos at one o'clock in the morning, but I would hardly call that stuff "very successful".

And as for Primus, they went platinum once in the 90s, not twice, and it took the album four years to reach that point.

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

You really have a misguided impression of what a "low point" is if you think those bands were the low point. Blood Sugar Sex Magik, KoRn, Dookie, Smash, and 311 are all very well respected albums that sold extremely well. I think its simply elitist to brush off such acts. Plus: Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, and RATM were all clearly in the mainstream and awesome bands.

It's elitist to have a different opinion from you? I'm sorry but the four albums you listed just don't do it for me. Each has a couple songs I like and a bunch of stuff I don't. Am I really required to love them? Do you love every single mainstream rock album that was released during your teens?

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

And you just completely ignored that the 90s were one part of the Golden Era of Hip Hop and plenty of those artists were in the mainstream...

I didn't ignore that, in fact I said the hip hop was one of the better things about the decade. But a lot of the best stuff wasn't super-mainstream.

TheBig3 · 12-07-2010, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

Big3, still think the 90s wasn't the golden age for rap?? I mean really, there were at least double the amount of great rap CDs that came out in the 90s than probably the 80s and 2000s combined.

Yes.

You've highlighted what, 10 albums? If that constitutes the golden age then the 00's were the platinum age.

80's
Public Enemy
Run DMC
NWA
KRS One
Slick Rick
Grandmaster Flash
Afrikka Bambata for christ sakes
Beastie Boys

00's
Tons of great Jay-Z
50 cent
Eminem (by the way, cheap shot putting SSLP in the 90's)
Outkast
Dizzy Rascal
MC Paul Barman
Most Kayne
MF Doom
The Roots
Lupe Fiasco
Immortal Technique

~~Dirty~~ · 12-07-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Yes.

You've highlighted what, 10 albums? If that constitutes the golden age then the 00's were the platinum age.

80's
Public Enemy
Run DMC
NWA
KRS One
Slick Rick
Grandmaster Flash
Afrikka Bambata for christ sakes
Beastie Boys

00's
Tons of great Jay-Z
50 cent
Eminem (by the way, cheap shot putting SSLP in the 90's)
Outkast
Dizzy Rascal
MC Paul Barman
Most Kayne
MF Doom
The Roots
Lupe Fiasco
Immortal Technique

Like I said, the list goes on and on for the 90s. Lol, did you want me to list literally every awesome rap album of the 90s? There is a reason most rap heads consider it the golden age of hip hop. Yes, obviously there is good stuff from other decades. But hell, just all the Nas and Wu Tang stuff alone makes the 90s unbelievable. Then Jay-Z and Em's early stuff, plus Biggie, Tupac, Dre, Snoop, etc. The east coast AND west coast blew up in the 90s.

The only real great stuff from the 2000s is Eminem and Jay Z. When you look at the best rap albums of all-time, the majority of the ones are from the 90s. I don't even think it's close.

**Janszoon** · 12-07-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Yes.

You've highlighted what, 10 albums? If that constitutes the golden age then the 00's were the platinum age.

80's
Public Enemy
Run DMC
NWA
KRS One
Slick Rick
Grandmaster Flash
Afrikka Bambata for christ sakes
Beastie Boys

00's
Tons of great Jay-Z
50 cent
Eminem (by the way, cheap shot putting SSLP in the 90's)
Outkast
Dizzy Rascal
MC Paul Barman
Most Kayne
MF Doom
The Roots
Lupe Fiasco
Immortal Technique

I would argue that the Beastie Boys and the Roots released their best work in the 90s, Eminem and Outkast are points equally for the 90s and 00s, and Jay-Z, 50 Cent, Kanye West, and Lupe Fiasco are all strikes against the 00s.

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