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Howard the Duck 03-25-2012 11:58 PM

i don't even know why we're even bothering to compare the two

each has their own merits

SATCHMO 03-26-2012 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1169556)
I also don't see page mixing classical in his playing as much as iommi did, even if its presence wasn't all that strong. There are some acoustic examples of iommis classically styled work. He even worked it into his electric playing a little.

And ya, he certainly isn't Django.

If you can define classical for me I'd be more apt to understand what you're talking about.

blastingas10 03-26-2012 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by milano (Post 1169550)
Yeah, when I learned that, I found it difficult to take them too seriously. Not a whole lot of originality.

Compared to some other bands from around their time period, they're really not all that original.

Zosofancmr1 03-26-2012 12:02 AM

Straight from the horse's mouth (not that I am implying that Jimmy Page is a horse)

"I always tried to bring something fresh to anything that I used. I always made sure to come up with some variation. In fact, I think in most cases, you would never know what the original source could be. Maybe not in every case — but in most cases. So most of the comparisons rest on the lyrics. And Robert [Plant, lead singer of Led Zeppelin] was supposed to change the lyrics, and he didn’t always do that — which is what brought on most of the grief. They couldn’t get us on the guitar parts of the music, but they nailed us on the lyrics. We did, however, take some liberties, I must say [laughs]. But never mind; we did try to do the right thing."

Key 03-26-2012 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1169559)
Compared to some other bands from around their time period, they're really not all that original.

When I was just getting into Zep, I really didn't see anything too special about them. Made it difficult for me to understand why they are so special and held up to such high par.

blastingas10 03-26-2012 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO (Post 1169558)
If you can define classical for me I'd be more apt to understand what you're talking about.

It might be not strict text book classical, but theres some classical style to some of his playing. There are some live videos I've seen where he works some classical chords and fingerstyle techniques into his playing electric playing.

There's the song "orchid" for example. Theres another song I'm thinking of but I can't think of the name. It starts out with an acoustic intro and then oes into some really heavy stuff.

blastingas10 03-26-2012 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by milano (Post 1169564)
When I was just getting into Zep, I really didn't see anything too special about them. Made it difficult for me to understand why they are so special and held up to such high par.

I know what you mean. Even when I did like them more than I do now, I never saw anything that was extremely great. I always sensed something fake about them, then I came across all this plagiarism stuff, it reassured my feeling about them.



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Originally Posted by Zosofancmr1 (Post 1169560)
Straight from the horse's mouth (not that I am implying that Jimmy Page is a horse)

"I always tried to bring something fresh to anything that I used. I always made sure to come up with some variation. In fact, I think in most cases, you would never know what the original source could be. Maybe not in every case — but in most cases. So most of the comparisons rest on the lyrics. And Robert [Plant, lead singer of Led Zeppelin] was supposed to change the lyrics, and he didn’t always do that — which is what brought on most of the grief. They couldn’t get us on the guitar parts of the music, but they nailed us on the lyrics. We did, however, take some liberties, I must say [laughs]. But never mind; we did try to do the right thing."

Even the guitar parts weren't always really original.

Key 03-26-2012 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1169568)
I know what you mean. Even when I did like them more than I do now, I never saw anything that was extremely great. I always sensed something fake about them, then I came across all this plagiarism stuff, it reassured my feeling about them.

Even Jimmy Page wasn't as special to me as people said he was. He seemed just like a typical guitar player to me when I listen/listened to them.

Zosofancmr1 03-26-2012 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1169568)
Even the guitar parts weren't always really original.

Then you must not be all that familiar with time signatures

blastingas10 03-26-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Zosofancmr1 (Post 1169571)
Then you must not be all that familiar with time signatures

You must not be familiar with some of the licks and riffs he stole.


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