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blastingas10 01-23-2012 05:19 PM

Tony Iommi or Jimmy Page?
 
I think it's a good comparison. They have pretty similar styles. I prefer Iommi's electric guitar playing. I guess I would say that Page is the overall better player when you consider his acoustic playing, but Iommi didn't play much acoustic so it's kind of hard to compare there. I've asked my friends about this and they all easily choose Page. I don't think they're giving Iommi a chance. I pick Iommi.

What do ya'll think?

TheBig3 01-23-2012 05:44 PM

Well that depends what you're asking. I'd prefer Iommi. Page is fine but he's boring. He doesn't create much of a moon on his own. And I'm no dope, Butler gave a lot to Sabbaths sound, but Page owes a lot to JPJ.

Iommi was more innovative, he was more mood oriented, he was less douchey. Its a personal preference.

blastingas10 01-23-2012 05:51 PM

Geezer and JPJ were both great bass players. Iommi certainly was less douchey. Of course it's personal preference. And that's what I'm asking. Who do you personally prefer and think is the better guitarist?

FRED HALE SR. 01-23-2012 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1145491)
Well that depends what you're asking. I'd prefer Iommi. Page is fine but he's boring. He doesn't create much of a moon on his own. And I'm no dope, Butler gave a lot to Sabbaths sound, but Page owes a lot to JPJ.

Iommi was more innovative, he was more mood oriented, he was less douchey. Its a personal preference.

I'll go with the less douchey also. Personally i think Page wanks around on guitar and noodles too much for my preference. Iommi certainly had a larger sound and clearly more distorted which i prefer. I'm not discounting what Page did, he obviously was a great influence for many great artists.

blastingas10 01-23-2012 05:56 PM

Use the poll, man. :laughing:

Frownland 01-23-2012 06:51 PM

I love Iommi and his style, his innovation etc. but I believe that Page always plays the right thing. Plus he does provide a lot more variety in his songwriting than Iommi.

TheBig3 01-23-2012 08:29 PM

polls are the worst thing going on here at Musicbanter. The bump threads with no post and drive me ****ing bat**** crazy.

edit: and **** you.

Odyshape 01-23-2012 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1145491)
Well that depends what you're asking. I'd prefer Iommi. Page is fine but he's boring. He doesn't create much of a moon on his own. And I'm no dope, Butler gave a lot to Sabbaths sound, but Page owes a lot to JPJ.

Iommi was more innovative, he was more mood oriented, he was less douchey. Its a personal preference.

I wouldn't go so far as to say Page was douchey personally but when compared to the well rounded coolness of tony iommi I would be tempted to say so.

Dr_Rez 01-23-2012 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1145530)
polls are the worst thing going on here at Musicbanter. The bump threads with no post and drive me ****ing bat**** crazy.

edit: and **** you.

The worst thing is comparing 2 guitarists that are nothing alike.

Electrophonic Tonic 01-23-2012 10:48 PM

Jimmy Page. I think he had much more diversity in his work than Iommi and was a better player in general.

Peppermint4life 01-24-2012 02:38 AM

Both are great players. But I'd take Heartbreaker over anything Iommi played.

blastingas10 01-24-2012 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 1145585)
The worst thing is comparing 2 guitarists that are nothing alike.

If you listen to their music and don't hear some similarities between their heavy bluesy style then you must be deaf.

Howard the Duck 01-24-2012 04:07 AM

Iommi for me

Iommi was an innovator whilst Page just improved what was already around

edit - i believed i said the same thing when blastingas brought up Hendrix vs Page

blastingas10 01-24-2012 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1145530)
polls are the worst thing going on here at Musicbanter. The bump threads with no post and drive me ****ing bat**** crazy.

edit: and **** you.

**** me? **** you.:finger:

TheBig3 01-24-2012 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1145653)
If you listen to their music and don't hear some similarities between their heavy bluesy style then you must be deaf.

If you're heavily invested in those sounds the differences between two players can sound miles apart. If you listen to a more global offering then they start to seem closer together. Its all relative. Page and Iommi sound nothing alike until you ask about Page, Iommi, and Pat Metheny.

blastingas10 01-24-2012 02:58 PM

They don't always sound alike. Obviously they have their differences, but to say they sound nothing alike is completely wrong. There are some solos of theirs that sound pretty similar. I'll have to post a couple

Garrett 01-24-2012 03:12 PM

I was more of a Led Zeppelin fan growing, so Jimmy Page gets my vote. Iommi is a class act and has my respect! I was lucky enough to have seen both Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath in concert.

Dr_Rez 01-24-2012 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1145653)
If you listen to their music and don't hear some similarities between their heavy bluesy style then you must be deaf.

Listen to any 2 rock guitarists and their will be similarities. Lets face it though, Page is known or helping write the book on blues rock. Iommi wrote the book on metal nearly single handedly. If you want similar listen to Rush's first album. Working Man could have been Iommi playing.

blastingas10 01-24-2012 08:21 PM

Eh, I guess. I disagree. Take Robbie Robertson for example, and compare him to Jimmy page. There certainly arent as many similarities between their playing as there are between page and iommi. Not all rock guitarists are as similar as page and iommi. Iommi may have wrote the book on heavy metal, but he was also a bluesy player. And I disagree that page wrote the book on blues rock, but he was also heavy bluesy player.

Dr_Rez 01-24-2012 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1146019)
Eh, I guess. I disagree. Take Robbie Robertson for example, and compare him to Jimmy page. There certainly arent as many similarities between their playing as there are between page and iommi. Not all rock guitarists are as similar as page and iommi. Iommi may have wrote the book on heavy metal, but he was also a bluesy player. And I disagree that page wrote the book on blues rock, but he was also heavy bluesy player.

If you dont think Page was one of the biggest influences in nearly ever blues rock player today your kidding yourself. Sure he wasnt Hendrix, but was about as close as one could get.

blastingas10 01-24-2012 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 1146044)
If you dont think Page was one of the biggest influences in nearly ever blues rock player today your kidding yourself. Sure he wasnt Hendrix, but was about as close as one could get.

Exactly, he wasn't Hendrix. But ya he's certainly up there.

Electrophonic Tonic 01-24-2012 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 1146009)
Listen to any 2 rock guitarists and their will be similarities. Lets face it though, Page is known or helping write the book on blues rock. Iommi wrote the book on metal nearly single handedly. If you want similar listen to Rush's first album. Working Man could have been Iommi playing.

'Working Man' feels more like Rush doing a Led Zeppelin impression to me. The structure feels more like a Led Zeppelin II outtake and the riff sounds like something Jimmy Page wrote, but Tony Iommi played... if that makes sense.

Unknown Soldier 01-26-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Electrophonic Tonic (Post 1146078)
'Working Man' feels more like Rush doing a Led Zeppelin impression to me. The structure feels more like a Led Zeppelin II outtake and the riff sounds like something Jimmy Page wrote, but Tony Iommi played... if that makes sense.

Early Rush were often compared to Led Zeppelin, problem was though they just weren't as good as Led Zeppelin and hence the move into their more familiar prog direction.

FRED HALE SR. 01-26-2012 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1146661)
Early Rush were often compared to Led Zeppelin, problem was though they just weren't as good as Led Zeppelin and hence the move into their more familiar prog direction.

I'd take Rush a hundred times over in comparison with Led Zeppelin.

Necromancer 01-26-2012 01:35 PM

When Neil Peart joined Rush, they more or less lead own way, with individual sound, style of progressive rock. Unlike the more Blues/Rock of Led Zeppelin.

Unknown Soldier 01-26-2012 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1146664)
I'd take Rush a hundred times over in comparison with Led Zeppelin.

You think the first couple of Rush albums compare to one of the classic Led Zep albums?

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Originally Posted by Necromancer (Post 1146669)
When Neil Peart joined Rush, they more or less lead own way, with individual sound, style of progressive rock. Unlike the more Blues/Rock of Led Zeppelin.

I'm surprised you didn't take this opportunity to mention Caress of Steel again.:laughing:

Necromancer 01-26-2012 03:59 PM

I will mention Alex Lifeson. More often underrated in comparison to the popularity of Iommi and Page.

Unknown Soldier 01-26-2012 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer (Post 1146708)
I will mention Alex Lifeson. More often underrated in comparison to the popularity of Iommi and Page.

Often the least appeciated member of Rush as well.

Dr_Rez 01-27-2012 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1146711)
Often the least appeciated member of Rush as well.

Not among guitar fans. Anyone who is a musician always says great things about him. Its everyone else that doesnt. Its because he doesnt fit the rockstar personality and look. Kind of sad really.

blastingas10 01-27-2012 09:35 AM

Lifeson is a very good guitarist.

I've been listening to sabbath all this morning. I think iommi owns page. He can play just as fast, if not faster. He had a great style. He played so many great, classic riffs. He is the king of the heavy riff. He was a pioneer, one of the first to drop his tuning down, which became a big part of heavy metal. You can hear some heavy palm muted riffs in some sabbath songs. Of course the palm muted riffing would become a signature part of heavy metal. I can't think of anyone that was doing that before him. Iommi all the way.

slatesphanboi 01-27-2012 09:54 AM

Jimmy Page!

Not only do I think he is a better guitar player (sadly Iommi did lose part of his finger so the fact he is not as good is not his fault) but Page was also into paranormalism which gives him a cool 'image'

Quote:

n the early 1970s Page owned an occult bookshop and publishing house, "The Equinox Booksellers and Publishers" in Kensington High Street, London, eventually closing it as the increasing success of Led Zeppelin resulted in his having insufficient time to devote to it. The company published a facsimile of English occultist's Aleister Crowley's 1904 edition of The Goetia.[141] Page has maintained a strong interest in Crowley for many years. In 1978, he explained:

I feel Aleister Crowley is a misunderstood genius of the 20th century. Because his whole thing was liberation of the person, of the entity, and that restrictions would foul you up, lead to frustration which leads to violence, crime, mental breakdown, depending on what sort of makeup you have underneath. The further this age we're in now gets into technology and alienation, a lot of the points he's made seem to manifest themselves all down the line.[142]

Page was commissioned to write the soundtrack music for the film Lucifer Rising by another occultist and Crowley admirer, underground movie director Kenneth Anger.


Jimmy Page - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


FRED HALE SR. 01-27-2012 10:14 AM

[QUOTE=Unknown Soldier;1146707]You think the first couple of Rush albums compare to one of the classic Led Zep albums?

Well i did state that already. I wouldn't say the musicianship falls off much, I just cant stand Robert Plants voice. Alot of people would state they despise Geddy Lees voice, but I find it to be a big part of the Rush magic.

And i'll stand by my original post and say Page does alot of senseless noodling. Hes clearly got a wonderful ability to play blues guitar, which i think was his calling. I still think Iommi's big sound is what speaks to me personally, and his riffs are so chunky he should make peanut butter with them.

Unknown Soldier 01-27-2012 10:18 AM

[QUOTE=FRED HALE SR.;1146996]
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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1146707)
You think the first couple of Rush albums compare to one of the classic Led Zep albums?

Well i did state that already. I wouldn't say the musicianship falls off much, I just cant stand Robert Plants voice. Alot of people would state they despise Geddy Lees voice, but I find it to be a big part of the Rush magic.

And i'll stand by my original post and say Plant does alot of senseless noodling. Hes clearly got a wonderful ability to play blues guitar, which i think was his calling. I still think Iommi's big sound is what speaks to me personally, and his riffs are so chunky he should make peanut butter with them.

People either love or hate the voices of both Plant and Lee, with not too many people falling in between. Personally I love both, as both are iconic with each band's respective sounds. From personal experience though, I think more people are turned off by Geddy Lee's voice than that of Robert Plant though.

FRED HALE SR. 01-27-2012 10:19 AM

[QUOTE=Unknown Soldier;1146998]
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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1146996)

People either love or hate the voices of both Plant and Lee, with not too many people falling in between. Personally I love both, as both are iconic with each band's respective sounds. From personal experience though, I think more people are turned off by Geddy Lee's voice than that of Robert Plant though.

I would certainly agree with that, From experience this is usually the case.

Unknown Soldier 01-27-2012 10:22 AM

[QUOTE=FRED HALE SR.;1146999]
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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1146998)

I would certainly agree with that, From experience this is usually the case.

Glad we agree, as I'm off now to have a pizza:finger:

Howard the Duck 01-27-2012 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1146976)
Lifeson is a very good guitarist.

I've been listening to sabbath all this morning. I think iommi owns page. He can play just as fast, if not faster. He had a great style. He played so many great, classic riffs. He is the king of the heavy riff. He was a pioneer, one of the first to drop his tuning down, which became a big part of heavy metal. You can hear some heavy palm muted riffs in some sabbath songs. Of course the palm muted riffing would become a signature part of heavy metal. I can't think of anyone that was doing that before him. Iommi all the way.

"djent"

blastingas10 01-28-2012 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1147203)
"djent"

huh?

Howard the Duck 01-28-2012 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1147293)
huh?

sub-genre of metal which mostly uses palm-muted riffs

Frownland 01-28-2012 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1146976)
Lifeson is a very good guitarist.

I've been listening to sabbath all this morning. I think iommi owns page. He can play just as fast, if not faster. He had a great style. He played so many great, classic riffs. He is the king of the heavy riff. He was a pioneer, one of the first to drop his tuning down, which became a big part of heavy metal. You can hear some heavy palm muted riffs in some sabbath songs. Of course the palm muted riffing would become a signature part of heavy metal. I can't think of anyone that was doing that before him. Iommi all the way.

Speed =/= skill, this is but a common fallacy.

blastingas10 01-28-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1147371)
Speed =/= skill, this is but a common fallacy.

I completely agree. I was just throwing that out there for people who love speed. Im not a believer that technical ability is what really matters. But, how do you measure skill?


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