Tony Iommi or Jimmy Page?

blastingas10 · 04-13-2012, 08:52 PM

wow.

So first he says zepp were more original than sabbath as if it were a fact, then he says it's all subjective.

If anything is a fact it's that sabbath were much more original than Zeppelin. Zeppelin stole so much, sabbath created a new genre. So, how was zepp more original? They weren't, without a doubt.

Howard the Duck · 04-13-2012, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by William Zanzinger

The fact you promote Doom Metal speaks volumes.

ok let's be objective

what did Led Zep invent?

name me one new genre that were inexistent before they came along

Led Zep were just doing what the Jeff Beck Group were doing a few years earlier, only that they were heavier

William Zanzinger · 04-13-2012, 09:03 PM

"Led Zep were just doing what the Jeff Beck Group were doing a few years earlier, only that they were heavier "
And hencefore was born heavy metal.
And Zep were far more inventive than Sabbath-that is a fact borne out simply by listening to their respective albums.
As to better-as I said, it is objective.

Key · 04-13-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by William Zanzinger

And Zep were far more inventive than Sabbath-that is a fact borne out simply by listening to their respective albums.
As to better-as I said, it is objective.

You sir, are wrong. Refer to my previous posts to see why.

Howard the Duck · 04-13-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by William Zanzinger

"Led Zep were just doing what the Jeff Beck Group were doing a few years earlier, only that they were heavier "
And hencefore was born heavy metal.
And Zep were far more inventive than Sabbath-that is a fact borne out simply by listening to their respective albums.
As to better-as I said, it is objective.

did you understand my question?

i asked did they come up with anything new?

something new was playing a guitar with a violin bow, that's about it

Surell · 04-17-2012, 09:35 PM

I will hand it to Will that Dazed and Confused, released before Black Sabbath (the song), does have the aura and attitude of a lighter Heavy Metal song, thus lending to the creation of the genre. However, I would say the Sabbath song has much clearer and more direct influence on the genre.

blastingas10 · 04-25-2012, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

did you understand my question?

i asked did they come up with anything new?

something new was playing a guitar with a violin bow, that's about it

Page wasn't even the first to use a bow on a guitar.

I have a hard time saying that "dazed and confused" spawned heavy metal. Especially when you consider they stole the foundation of that song. Sabbath started metal and that's that

Key · 04-25-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Page wasn't even the first to use a bow on a guitar.

I have a hard time saying that "dazed and confused" spawned heavy metal. Especially when you consider they stole the foundation of that song. Sabbath started metal and that's that

I'll find it hilarious if anybody disagrees with this. Well said, though it's been said like a million times now.

FRED HALE SR. · 04-25-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by William Zanzinger

The fact you promote Doom Metal speaks volumes.

OK I'm voting for Iommi just because of this statement.

And because Stairway to Heaven makes me want to puke everytime i hear the intro.

Unknown Soldier · 04-25-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by William Zanzinger

"Led Zep were just doing what the Jeff Beck Group were doing a few years earlier, only that they were heavier "
And hencefore was born heavy metal.
And Zep were far more inventive than Sabbath-that is a fact borne out simply by listening to their respective albums.
As to better-as I said, it is objective.

I agree with the first part of what you've said but completely disagree with the second part. Led Zeppelin basically did blues rock and hard rock better than anybody else song for song and they perfected the bluesy hard rock sound that had been prominent in the 1960s. Sure they diversified with folk leanings etc but inventive is not a word I'd use for them. Black Sabbath on the other hand were far more inventive and basically not only created heavy metal, but laid down the groundwork for the future extreme metal genres of thrash and doom loooong before they were thought of.

Also realised I hadn't voted, so gave it to Page.

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04-13-2012, 08:52 PM	#161 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	wow. So first he says zepp were more original than sabbath as if it were a fact, then he says it's all subjective. If anything is a fact it's that sabbath were much more original than Zeppelin. Zeppelin stole so much, sabbath created a new genre. So, how was zepp more original? They weren't, without a doubt.

04-13-2012, 09:03 PM	#163 (permalink)
William Zanzinger Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: The Wasteland Posts: 77	"Led Zep were just doing what the Jeff Beck Group were doing a few years earlier, only that they were heavier " And hencefore was born heavy metal. And Zep were far more inventive than Sabbath-that is a fact borne out simply by listening to their respective albums. As to better-as I said, it is objective.