YEah, but there's only, what, meh number of words for "darkness," and the same goes for the other things you've said. but I will take to heart with what you just said.

So I can't think up words for the life of me. I can get chords and songs down really easy. But the lyrics is what kills me every time. What I do write sounds good for the moment and probably the next five minutes. But it's so unlike what I would really say. My lyrics don't have any character behind them. All of the prose and stuff I've written for classes had a toune-in-cheek sense of humor but I can't seem to get that same effect in lyrics. Any ideas how to get even started on an idea?

Hum. Just... hum. Record your song and start humming something that sounds decent with the music. Once you aren't so worried about the words this putting words to music thing gets a LOT easier. Once you've figured out what you're humming and when, start throwing some words in there - a little at first, just words, then whole ideas... start peicing it together... voila a song. I say voila like it just happens... it doesn't be patient... be patient.

you can also make a recording of JUST the musical "humming" and than as its playing, write stuff down to fit it. my idea is vaguely similar to Crowe's just in another direction of how to do it.

I find this process helpful.

1) construct a melody (rhythm + pitch changes equals melody)
2)determine how many syllables you can break the melody into per repetition.
3) use words that fit into the syllable number.
4)for words you want to use that dont have the correct number of syllables, use synonyms. the more obscure, the more artsy sounding. unless theyre just weird sounding.



most helpful hint ever to me:

try to use short words. once you get past two syllables they get hard to work with.


oh, and don't use any cliches


and the more vague you are, the mysterious and creative you sound. haha. metaphors and similies are good things usually.

i generally don't care for narative songs much. there are always exceptions.

its always good to develope your chord progression first, then develop a melody. Once you have both of these then you will want to plan your song accordingly, such as any changes in key, tempo, or whatever. After you've done this, then come up with lyrics.

This may not be what works for you, but it works for me. this way once you're comming to the lyrics u have a framework to work the lyrics into, and other things dont need to change to fit the lyrics.

i want to see a song that explains why people use words ,. and if people dont understand that i dsont think their opinion really comes from being an expert or a person who understand music,., it is just from what other people think about you becuase you never can know what every one is really thinking,they dont have drawings and words to communicate with that are what we rerally think

Interesting read this thread is... mostly the first page. I generally don't think about the rules when writing my songs but it's cool to read through what was posted as I agree with most of it. Repeating words for one, actually repeating entire sections in music bugs the hell out of me. With a chorus I understand (as that is the hook) but when an artist/band repeats an entire verse, to me that is just lazy. An example of this is "God Only Knows" by the Beach Boys... beautiful song (one of my fav's) but I wish it had a third verse that wasn't just a copy of the second.

Also, guitar solo's that just follow the melody line irritate me a bit.. but I'm sure there is a thread for that somewhere.

hmmmmm

if ur really into doing it a certain way
you could try to follow common practice rules
or a circle of fifths progression
lol

and i think it can be interesting when a guitar solo follows a melody line, but only when he adds something to it and resolves it differently than the melody does

Yes I agree, aspects of the melody showing up in the solo can work wonderfully, but when it's just a carbon copy of the melody (most of the solos on the green Weezer album) it seems very bland to me. I often think this is an easy way out for the guitar player.