Yet Tanner did not *make* people smile and laugh at his expense; they chose to do so. He did not offer his lyrics and his ideas as a sacrifice; he offered them to get help and suggestions. There is no reason someone should feel proud to have been exploited for fun. Most people would feel *angry*.

J., though I don't believe in souls, I do know that lyrics and songs are very personal to people, and sharing them is exposing one's inner life (aka "soul"), which takes courage. I recommend we critique gently.

I recommend someone call the kid a therapist, and his parents.

You are assuming that the lyricist is the same as the character created in the song. The writer (Tanner99) may not be describing self-experience but rather observed or imagined experience. I agree if someone *really* is struggling with drug addiction and thoughts of killing her/himself, then yes, we should make that call (911) if we can.

As a response, I was going to quote something you'd said a few minutes ago about poetry being reflective of the writer, but it seems to have disappeared... as I can no longer find the post.
Can't have gone far, I mean... it was literally within the past 20 minutes.

Oh well.

Do you mean this?
If so, I should clarify that in the quote I didn't meant that people necessarily write about what they personally experience, but rather they reveal what is important enough to them to write songs about. For example, I rarely write lyrics about things that happen to me, but I write about issues that are important to me. I use the fiction of lyrics to show truths I have learned or observed in my life.

This series of posts in *two* threads, no less, is my first real "bantering" on MB. Thank you.

Well, they think it's bad. They can be honest about it. **** happens ya know? And you never get better unless you have a reason to--which means that you have to admit your bad in the first place.

peace,
-nick

Whoa, didn't mean this to be a tanner hate thread. Just wanted to be silly :D

Me too.

Btw, Conan... I liked your lyrics. They had me experiencing lolgasms.

Hi, Nick,
I agree that people can and should be honest about their feelings about someone's lyrics/poems. The way they say it, though, makes a big difference:

Destructive and hurtful (criticizes the person):
"This sucks. Everything you write I will laugh at derisively. How can you be so stupid that you don't see how stupid your lyrics are?"

vs.

Constructive and helpful (critiques the lyrics):
"I don't like the topic you are writing about because it is one that many songs deal with. I also wish the lyrics had more structure, such as meter and rhyming."

--Erica

Okay debate aside it's time for another one of my songs. This one is to be rapped by a childrens choir.

Ya got Problems

Homo!

Ya got problems (yeah)
Ya got problems (no)
Ya got problems (yeah no yeah no yeah no yeah no)

If ya got problems then see a si-ki atrists
I aint care what they are
If ya got problems then eat some tofu
It's supposed to be brain food
(x4)

ya problems
Ya got problems
ya problems
Ya got problems

ya problems
Ya got problems
ya problems
Ya got problems

ya problems
Ya got problems
ya problems
Ya got problems

ya problems
Ya got problems
ya problems
Ya got problems

ya problems
Ya got problems
ya problems
Ya got problems

ya problems
Ya got problems
ya problemsya problems
Ya got problems
ya problems
Ya got problemsya problems
Ya got proya problems
Ya got problems
ya ya problems
Ya got problems
ya problems
Ya got problemsproblems
Ya got problemsblems
ya problems
Ya got problems
Ya got problems

On a vodka martini
with all the works
in the school playground
with all the quirks

like a big piece of cake
with all the sauce