TUC Voting/Discussion Thread

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by James

It isn't on any album I have it's just a really big single. The Undertones first album is great but if it had Teenage kicks it would be five stars. It's John peel's favourite song you know?

^ Played at his funeral no less.

[James]

Originally Posted by mojopinuk

^ Played at his funeral no less.

Yep. When it's the man with the best music taste ever has it played at his funeral, you know it's gotta be good.

[bob.]

Originally Posted by James

It isn't on any album I have it's just a really big single. The Undertones first album is great but if it had Teenage kicks it would be five stars. It's John peel's favourite song you know?

i had no idea.....going to look into them today

Originally Posted by dankrsta

Oh please, don't make me choose between Sheena Is A Punk Rocker and Teenage Kicks. Both are perfect examples for pop-punk and both bands are one of the earliest punk-rock bands. If I go by the influence The Ramones win, if I go by the more poppy sound, I kinda lean more towards The Undertones. I haven't listened to both of these bands in ages and I really should before the eventual voting.

But, I definitely second (or third) Death in June for Neofolk.

i agree...i think i need to listen to The Undertones a bit more before an "official" vote.....

i think if you were to look up a definition for the genre "neofolk" Death In June would be on the first front lines (pun intended )

[someonecompletelyrandom]

As for the current poll, I voted for The Undertones but honestly... I don't see either of those songs representing pop punk. I actually thought Blink 182 (although painfully mainstream and occasionally gag inducing) were a better fit because Pop Punk seems to be a more 90s/early 2000s phenomenon. A band like Green Day or Paramore also seem like obvious choices, but I also had in mind Guttermouth or Pennywise - whom I consider to have quite a bit more weight on the credibility side.

Idk, to me... having a band from the early years of punk to represent pop punk just doesn't seem to fit.

[bob.]

i can see your point....i honestly feel tat 'Dude Ranch' is a good representation of what would become "mainstream" pop punk....

at the same time i feel respect is due ...and after listening to both songs/albums i went with The Undertones...mainly because as an influence i feel they represent a wider spectrum

[dankrsta]

As for this dilemma - whether pop-punk should be represented by one of the earlier bands or more recent, I always give the edge to the originators, especially when a certain style has become so generic now, like pop-punk. If I would like to introduce someone to pop-punk (and that's kinda point of this compilation, as I understood) I would certainly rather play The Undertones and The Ramones instead of Blink 182 or whatever, even though their music may have not been called pop-punk in those days. With all the changes punk has been going through, it's pop-punk now. That's how I see it.

[someonecompletelyrandom]

I can definetly see your point of view, but in the same vein it probably wouldn't be effective to put Proto-Punk, like Iggy Pop, as the definition of punk rock. Sure it was what originated it, but it still had a lot of stylistic development to go through before it got to it's most reconizable form. I'm just saying since pop-punk really peaked in the 90s, maybe that'd the era of it that should be represented.

[dankrsta]

No, no I would never put Iggy Pop as the definition of punk-rock. When I say originators I don't mean only influences, I mean the original intent of a certain style or genre. I guess it all boils down to this: Is pop-punk to be regarded as a strict genre (like in the 90s) or as more melodic tendencies of punk-rock?

[Violent & Funky]

The Ramones simply weren't "pop punk" when they came onto the scene. For their era, they were PUNK.

I agree with Conan that something from Dude Ranch or Dookie best represents pop punk since it peaked in popularity in the 1990s. 'Welcome to Paradise' is a perfect balance of pop and punk...

[Violent & Funky]

I really don't think The Ramones sound has aged well. I thought that song was awful. The Undertones track wasn't very good either, but much better than The Ramones's song...