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[Forward To Death]

He doesn't even live up to his one redeeming quality (scoring) anymore. He's decent, but he was never an elite player. Overrated maybe, but it's that Tim Tebow kind of overrated, where you know the media likes to hype him up, but the performance just doesn't match.

In a few years Melo will be a bench player, once he can no longer overpower opponents with his athleticism. He doesn't play defense or shoot very well.

Jordan developed his jump-shot to make up for the loss of his overpowering athleticisn as he got older, and thats why he never averaged under 20 ppg, even when he was like 40 playing for Washington. I don't see Anthony doing that.

[blastingas10]

Melo is definitely overrated. I've always thought so. He have am outburst in scoring every now and then, but that's it. He's very incosistent. Doesn't seem like stoudamire has been doing very good either

[Xenith]

Originally Posted by Sparky

Good on Dantoni getting outta new york before the inevitable pinning on him for the teams mediocrity

Too bad no one in the media will never point to James Dolan as being the main problem with the team.

And before anyone points to the Rangers doing good this year as a defense of his abilities as an owner, consider for a moment that he is much more personally involved with the Knicks than the Rangers.

However having a coach that isn't very good at defense isn't going to win you squat in the NBA.

[Forward To Death]

That's just a cliche, and how do you know how much the owner is involved with either team? The Knicks just can never put together a decent team.

D'Antoni's system works plenty with the right players. He does not have them in NY.

[Xenith]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

That's just a cliche, and how do you know how much the owner is involved with either team? The Knicks just can never put together a decent team.

D'Antoni's system works plenty with the right players. He does not have them in NY.

You never hear in the news stories about how Dolan is hovering over the Rangers or monitoring them to the extent that it happens with the Knicks. Donnie Walsh constantly had James Dolan domineering over him acting as an obstacle in his path (Carmelo Trade*). Link me to any sort of article mentioning James Dolan actively getting involved with a Ranger's trade... I'll wait.

Now as for your second point about the Knicks not being about to put together a decent team. You don't think that maybe that has to do with the personnel that Dolan has hired. Scott Layden's idiotic self that traded Patrick Ewing unnecessarily for mostly hot garbage and Glenn Rice or Isiah Thomas who after years of embarrassing the franchise with his trades and off the court problems was finally let go only after Stern stepped in.

That's because D'Antoni's system works the best on the Olympic Team. Otherwise a team with no defense usually wins squat, it's a cliche for a reason especially in today's league.

*hxxp://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-02-08/knicks-owner-james-dolan-gets-involved-in-carmelo-anthony-trade-talks

[Forward To Death]

Those are speculative articles AT BEST. Many articles are formulated just to create a story. He may or may not, and you could be right, but I find it hard to believe that an owner is only involved with the unsuccessful team.

The Knicks just make a lot of poor decisions overall. A lot of crappy signings, poor drafting, etc. and thats the front office's responsibility. Unless he's being cheap, there's really nothing to hold him accountable for.

[Forward To Death]

You also just admitted that the owner isn't at fault. Accountable for making poor hiring decisions at best. The Knicks have tried to put decent teams together and fallen short of expectations.

[Xenith]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

You also just admitted that the owner isn't at fault. Accountable for making poor hiring decisions at best. The Knicks have tried to put decent teams together and fallen short of expectations.

He had a chance to axe Isiah Thomas multiple times as a GM but instead signed him to contract extensions. How is it not Dolan's fault that he rewarded someone with a contract extension when they were performing horribly throughout most of their tenure.

And also please explain to me how my article is just a speculation thread at best. If you going to claim something then at least back it up.

[Forward To Death]

Because the entire nature of journalism in sports is speculation, maybe? I'm not the one who needs proof, you find me an article with any solid evidence that Dolan is more active in Knicks operations than Rangers operations, I'll give you your point. As it stands your argument is based on the fallacy that he gave Thomas more chances than he should have, so therefore he is more involved.

I actually said very clearly that Dolan's hires were poor, but that doesn't illustrate your argument that he's more involved with one team than the other. Please try to pay attention.

Imo, you're cherrypicking the performance of the bad team to try to display how bad of an owner he is. This isn't baseball where the owner gets to choose what impact he has on his team. His accountability stops at hiring and firing, which is admittedly poor.

[FRED HALE SR.]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Because the entire nature of journalism in sports is speculation, maybe? I'm not the one who needs proof, you find me an article with any solid evidence that Dolan is more active in Knicks operations than Rangers operations, I'll give you your point. As it stands your argument is based on the fallacy that he gave Thomas more chances than he should have, so therefore he is more involved.

I actually said very clearly that Dolan's hires were poor, but that doesn't illustrate your argument that he's more involved with one team than the other. Please try to pay attention.

Imo, you're cherrypicking the performance of the bad team to try to display how bad of an owner he is. This isn't baseball where the owner gets to choose what impact he has on his team. His accountability stops at hiring and firing, which is admittedly poor.

As bad as NY has been thus far, they're still tied for 8th in the East with Milwaukee. If they happened to make the playoffs, they certainly have some pieces that could win a round. Dantoni does thrive on a run and gun offense, but he had some decent defenses in Phoenix year to year. Surprised to see him resign, I really thought NY could still make the playoffs and at least put up a fight in the first round.