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[FRED HALE SR.]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

I wouldn't expect anything less, as you've gone from hating him to being unimpressed. You don't need to like him, and you don't need to be impressed. I'm personally impressed with that game in particular, 4 TDs any way you want to paint it is impressive. I can't remember the last time I wasn't impressed by 4 TDs and a win on the road, so it's difficult to start now.



If anything, the fact that it was underthrown gives a guy like Crabtree an even greater chance. He's slow for a WR, with great jump ball and after the catch ability. That's his bread and butter.

Even being a bad throw, it was a good decision, and I give him credit. Even Tom Brady has underthrown a receiver.

Kind of funny to have to defend a guy throwing 4tds in a game. Colin looks like the makings of a good qb, i think blooz's point that the 9ers are setup to win games with even an average qb is a good one, but what great qb in history didn;t have weapons to work with to achieve greatness.

[Bloozcrooz]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

I wouldn't expect anything less, as you've gone from hating him to being unimpressed. You don't need to like him, and you don't need to be impressed. I'm personally impressed with that game in particular, 4 TDs any way you want to paint it is impressive. I can't remember the last time I wasn't impressed by 4 TDs and a win on the road, so it's difficult to start now.

Ughh...If you dont mind show me where I ever said I hate this guy? Cause I dont remember saying that myself. I said I dont like the guy.
Second Kap had 4 fumbles from under center, and not one red zone td. In fact I remember him trying to force the ball a couple times in the red zone. The only points they scored in the red zone came off a Kaeperscratch fumble which Gore saved his sorry ass by running it in from 9 yards out if I remember correctly. Only you dont get credit for the TD when its scored off a fumble recovery correct me if I'm wrong here. So one TD off a fumble that was HIS fault and he gets saved. Then another TD at the end of the game that was set up by a 60 some odd yard kick return by Lamicheal James, and a short dump off to Crabtree who I think ran for more yards than the pass was long.
The other two were beyond the red zone as well and while they may look impressive to you, luckys what comes to my mind. As I've mentioned before if Kaeperscratch had done any less than what he's done as a starter he would be a disappointment, but what he has done isn't impressive to me. I'd like to see him be on the Colts, and be as lucky as he is in San Fran. I'm still leaving Kap the bebefit of the doubt that he might possibly end up being a stud in this league by winning some playoff games with a solid performance. Potentially maybe even a super bowl. The only reason my dislike could possibly turn to hate is fan boys of his over hyping his sub par play to the point of ridiculousness.


In other news Megatron has a chance at breaking Jerry Rices record for receiving yards in a season. So there maybe a chance for two long lasting records to be broken this year. Dickerson has said that he doesnt want his record to be broken, and Rice being the guy he is stated he doest want it either. But he'll be the first to congratulate him if he does.

[Forward To Death]

I'm just saying he's played well enough that people should get off his sack like he's Tim Tebow.

He actually can pass, and he plays pretty smart. Maybe it is his team and the scheme or whatever, but you always need a little help from your guys. I've heard these lame "QB is product of..." arguments so many times that I've realized there's no point trying to debate, so it's honestly just tiring every time I see something like that. I could talk all day about how Montana and Young were the product of Rice and the WCO. I could say Culpepper was obviously the product of Moss, as he was never quite as good without him. But even if you have a good receiver or two, aren't you as a QB still the guy making him look good?

[FRED HALE SR.]

Originally Posted by Bloozcrooz

Ughh...If you dont mind show me where I ever said I hate this guy? Cause I dont remember saying that myself. I said I dont like the guy.
Second Kap had 4 fumbles from under center, and not one red zone td. In fact I remember him trying to force the ball a couple times in the red zone. The only points they scored in the red zone came off a Kaeperscratch fumble which Gore saved his sorry ass by running it in from 9 yards out if I remember correctly. Only you dont get credit for the TD when its scored off a fumble recovery correct me if I'm wrong here. So one TD off a fumble that was HIS fault and he gets saved. Then another TD at the end of the game that was set up by a 60 some odd yard kick return by Lamicheal James, and a short dump off to Crabtree who I think ran for more yards than the pass was long.
The other two were beyond the red zone as well and while they may look impressive to you, luckys what comes to my mind. As I've mentioned before if Kaeperscratch had done any less than what he's done as a starter he would be a disappointment, but what he has done isn't impressive to me. I'd like to see him be on the Colts, and be as lucky as he is in San Fran. I'm still leaving Kap the bebefit of the doubt that he might possibly end up being a stud in this league by winning some playoff games with a solid performance. Potentially maybe even a super bowl. The only reason my dislike could possibly turn to hate is fan boys of his over hyping his sub par play to the point of ridiculousness.


In other news Megatron has a chance at breaking Jerry Rices record for receiving yards in a season. So there maybe a chance for two long lasting records to be broken this year. Dickerson has said that he doesnt want his record to be broken, and Rice being the guy he is stated he doest want it either. But he'll be the first to congratulate him if he does.

I saw an interview with Dickerson on NFL NETWORK. He said hes a huge fan of AP and he'd be happy for him if he broke the record. Something tells me he wouldn't be though. Rice I think being the perfectionist he is would be appreciative of anyone who could touch that milestone.

[Forward To Death]

Originally Posted by Bloozcrooz

Ughh...If you dont mind show me where I ever said I hate this guy? Cause I dont remember saying that myself. I said I dont like the guy.
Second Kap had 4 fumbles from under center, and not one red zone td. In fact I remember him trying to force the ball a couple times in the red zone. The only points they scored in the red zone came off a Kaeperscratch fumble which Gore saved his sorry ass by running it in from 9 yards out if I remember correctly. Only you dont get credit for the TD when its scored off a fumble recovery correct me if I'm wrong here. So one TD off a fumble that was HIS fault and he gets saved. Then another TD at the end of the game that was set up by a 60 some odd yard kick return by Lamicheal James, and a short dump off to Crabtree who I think ran for more yards than the pass was long.
The other two were beyond the red zone as well and while they may look impressive to you, luckys what comes to my mind. As I've mentioned before if Kaeperscratch had done any less than what he's done as a starter he would be a disappointment, but what he has done isn't impressive to me. I'd like to see him be on the Colts, and be as lucky as he is in San Fran. I'm still leaving Kap the bebefit of the doubt that he might possibly end up being a stud in this league by winning some playoff games with a solid performance. Potentially maybe even a super bowl. The only reason my dislike could possibly turn to hate is fan boys of his over hyping his sub par play to the point of ridiculousness.


In other news Megatron has a chance at breaking Jerry Rices record for receiving yards in a season. So there maybe a chance for two long lasting records to be broken this year. Dickerson has said that he doesnt want his record to be broken, and Rice being the guy he is stated he doest want it either. But he'll be the first to congratulate him if he does.

Where do you even come up with this? Sub-par play? He's been one of the most efficient QBs in the league.

I'm not even going to address that crap about luck and having only one red zone TD, because luck is part of every successful QB. Luck that you found a guy so wide open because the defense.was out of position, or called the wrong coverage.

4 fumbles is bad, but they got a couple of those back, and they just can't be helped sometimes. INTs are much worse, because almost all of them are the product of poor-decision-making.

[Bloozcrooz]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

I'm just saying he's played well enough that people should get off his sack like he's Tim Tebow.

He actually can pass, and he plays pretty smart. Maybe it is his team and the scheme or whatever, but you always need a little help from your guys. I've heard these lame "QB is product of..." arguments so many times that I've realized there's no point trying to debate, so it's honestly just tiring every time I see something like that. I could talk all day about how Montana and Young were the product of Rice and the WCO. I could say Culpepper was obviously the product of Moss, as he was never quite as good without him. But even if you have a good receiver or two, aren't you as a QB still the guy making him look good?

Yes the QB still has to execute, but given the core of receivers that he is surrounded with if he didn't it would be a shame. Moss, Davis, Crabtree etc..
I admire your persistance, but nothing you can say is going to change my mind nor am I changing yours. You want to be a Kaeperscratch fan go ahead good for you, but I'm not. I'm agreeing to disagree and not waste anymore time arguing over a 5 game world champion. Best of luck to Kaeperscratch

Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

I saw an interview with Dickerson on NFL NETWORK. He said hes a huge fan of AP and he'd be happy for him if he broke the record. Something tells me he wouldn't be though. Rice I think being the perfectionist he is would be appreciative of anyone who could touch that milestone.

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[Forward To Death]

I already told you it's fine to dislike the guy, but you keep on trying to make points of why he isn't good, even though you've been cut down every time you keep going back to the cop-out that you don't like him.

Make some points that can actually be discussed and have substance and I'd respect your argument a little more.

I'm not a Kaepernick fan by any means, I just think he's playing at a higher level than you've given him credit for. And no you don't have to give him credit, but if it's just too soon in his career for you to give him credit, all you have to do is say that instead of trying to argue all of these absurd points.

And yes, agree to disagree.

[Bloozcrooz]

Thank you for watching this episode of MB PTI. Whats next on the debate agenda?

[FRED HALE SR.]

Originally Posted by Bloozcrooz

Thank you for watching this episode of MB PTI. Whats next on the debate agenda?

QB controversy in Washington?

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

QB controversy in Washington?