The American Football Thread

[Bloozcrooz]

Originally Posted by eric generic

You've got an ugly ass.

What the hell does your comment have to do with the topic?

[debaserr]

Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin

Obvoiusly you dont know the deal. The players are the ones ruining it now..Tom Brady....Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. The three highest paid bitches.

You were talking out of your ass.

You must know little about the negotiations.

[stephen1181]

Being an Indianapolis guy, and having the Super Bowl here for 2012, I hope there will still be a season!! I know that it seems like there's going to be a game or two missed. Just sounds like both sides are far apart. At least they settled on that rule change for kickoffs. So maybe that's a step in the right direction.

[Thom Yorke]

Originally Posted by stephen1181

At least they settled on that rule change for kickoffs.

I hate that rule, and I hear many of the coaches hate it to. Since when have kickoffs ever been a problem? They should be focusing on more important matters.

[Dirty]

Originally Posted by Thom Yorke

I hate that rule, and I hear many of the coaches hate it to. Since when have kickoffs ever been a problem? They should be focusing on more important matters.

I've never heard of it being a problem. I still say that "player safety" is being used somehow by the owners to gain leverage or public approval or something. Not sure what exactly, but it made no sense to make rule changes in the middle of last season and it makes no sense to change the kickoff rules. Players are going to get hurt. It's a very physical game. I don't see how the kickoff being moved 5 yards is going to make the game drastically more safe. It's all just a distraction so everyone on TV and fans talk about these new rules and stop focusing on how greedy these bastard owners are. I think they are gonna use "players safety" somehow in negotiation for the 18 game schedule or something

[djchameleon]

I don't think the owners are being greedy , some of them have already reduced their pay until the negotiations are resolved.

By reduced I mean to things like 1 dollar and stuff like that to try to gain the favor of the fans maybe but still.

[Dirty]

I don't know, last I heard Goodell was doing that $1 thing, maybe the owners are too but I've read that the owners and broadcasters are still gonna get paid regardless if there is a season. NFL owners want change more than the players, and they basically cited the fact that they were unhappy, and the players were happy with the current deal as reasoning for a new deal. I'm always gonna side with the players because of how much hell their bodies endure and how hard they work.

I found this thread to ask what you fellow football fans think of the QB prospects this year. I actually really like Cam Newton. I know he definitely lied about two separate scandals at Auburn and Florida (the money issue and stealing a laptop) but as a football player I like him. I think he is Vince Young but better. It's a pretty weak QB class but I like Gabbard from Misouri as well but not as much. I see him being a mediocre career starter but I could see Cam Newton being an above average starter eventually but not good enough to be a pro bowler. Jake Locker though. Everyone wa so big on him, and he's a total moron for not going through the draft last year. He cost himself ten of millions of dollars and I honestly don't know why everyone is in love with the guy. He's gonna completely suck in my opinion, I haven't seen much from him for me to believe he is gonna be any good.

[Thom Yorke]

Originally Posted by Dirty

I found this thread to ask what you fellow football fans think of the QB prospects this year. I actually really like Cam Newton. I know he definitely lied about two separate scandals at Auburn and Florida (the money issue and stealing a laptop) but as a football player I like him. I think he is Vince Young but better. It's a pretty weak QB class but I like Gabbard from Misouri as well but not as much. I see him being a mediocre career starter but I could see Cam Newton being an above average starter eventually but not good enough to be a pro bowler. Jake Locker though. Everyone wa so big on him, and he's a total moron for not going through the draft last year. He cost himself ten of millions of dollars and I honestly don't know why everyone is in love with the guy. He's gonna completely suck in my opinion, I haven't seen much from him for me to believe he is gonna be any good.

I think it's a pretty weak class for QBs. Gabbert is the only guy I'd take top 10, and I still don't think all that much of him. I see Newton as more of a late first, and Locker and Mallet as 2nd rounders. I'm sure they'll all go higher though, as QB is the most valuable position.

As for why I don't like Newton, it's because we've seen the athlete-first QB fail so often before in the NFL. Granted he does having better tools for throwing than Young and WAY better than Tebow, but I still don't like taking a guy like that as they always find it tough to adjust to the NFL.

I'm wondering if we'll see something similar happen to Luck that happened to Locker. I doubt it though. I think he's the real deal.

[Dirty]

Originally Posted by Thom Yorke

I think it's a pretty weak class for QBs. Gabbert is the only guy I'd take top 10, and I still don't think all that much of him. I see Newton as more of a late first, and Locker and Mallet as 2nd rounders. I'm sure they'll all go higher though, as QB is the most valuable position.

As for why I don't like Newton, it's because we've seen the athlete-first QB fail so often before in the NFL. Granted he does having better tools for throwing than Young and WAY better than Tebow, but I still don't like taking a guy like that as they always find it tough to adjust to the NFL.

I'm wondering if we'll see something similar happen to Luck that happened to Locker. I doubt it though. I think he's the real deal.

There's no QBs this year on the level of Matt Ryan or Flacco or Sam Bradford like the past few years. The QBs who did come out this year are lucky because it means more money for them even though they will have unrealistic expectations. Before Ryan and Flacco it had been a long time since a rookie QB came in and performed that well (exception Big Ben). Like guys like Peyton weren't good their first years and I think fans are gonna have unrealistic expectations of rookie QBs for awhile.

Forgot to mention Mallet. I'm not big on him either, he doesn't strike me as mature at all. I think he's still a kid and has some growing up to do. And yeah a lot of athletic QBs don't transition well but I'm not gonna group them all together. In college there's a ton of athletic QBs but Cam won the Heisman and was a stud all year. I just think he's a winner and a hard worker. Even Vince Young has had a pretty good career all things considered. He's immature and dumb as bricks and might have mental issues but he got wins when he was in there. An athletic QB isn't gonna put up the passing stats of pocket passers, which is something nobody ever understood when Vick was in Atlanta and got so much hate from the analysts despite being a 1 man team. I think Cam will make it in the NFL, and I think Tebow is gonna be good too. I was the biggest Tebow hater but now I'm kinda rooting for him for some reason. I don't think he'll ever be a great passer but I think that if Denver can get their ground game back Tebow is good enough to make the basic throws and make plays out of the pocket. It just takes coaching that's willing to be unconventional with things to make the athletic QB succeed in my opinion.

[Bloozcrooz]

Personally im not all that interested in the q.b. expectations of this coming...well whenever they play. More so in what Patrick Peterson is going to do. Some are calling him the next Deon Sanders which is a pretty high standard to live up to. Yes I know there are deon haters but you cant deny the talent and ability he had for taking away the side of the field he was on. Ive seen some similiarities in Peterson as well. He also seems to have that arrogant personality I tend to take a liking to...sort of self promoting and boasting on his own capablities. Footballs in need of another new personality like that. T.O and Ocho and Moss are way past their primes. Not that im any less of a fan of them just ready for a new ****y phenom to grace us with his antics. Maybe he'll be the next target of the media.