dac

Well duh they aren't as good this year. They had a loaded lineup of senior players that season and a stud in Ian Johnson. Also why does everyone hate Saban? I don't blame him for leaving LSU for the pros, he wanted to see what the next level was like. He coached his year, and realized where his heart really was... college football. He didn't quit midseason on the dolphins or anything, he coached them to the best of his ability. Then he decided to return to college, and went back to the SEC, a place where he was comfortable and at home. Where's the fault in that?

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ProggyMan

Er, no.

This has no effect on the outcome of games.

So Oregon State is better than USC? Ok, good luck with that.

So? Oklahoma beat more and better good teams.

They spend more than a month away from their families in college, and it has no effect on their play.

They still didn't rely on the run, why don't you provide some evidence for once. Prove to me that they relied on the run.

See above.

thegoldlaw

Lets break this down.

Aug 30 Fla. Atlantic Won 52-10
Sep 6 @UTEP Won 42-13
Sep 13 Arkansas
Sep 20 Rice Won 52-10
Sep 27 Arkansas Won 52-10
Oct 4 @Colorado Won 38-14
Oct 11 @Oklahoma Won 45-35
Oct 18 Missouri Won 56-31
Oct 25 Oklahoma St. Won 28-24
Nov 1 @Texas Tech Lost 33-39
Nov 8 Baylor Won 45-21
Nov 15 @Kansas Won 35-7
Nov 27 Texas A&M Won 49-9

Aug 30 Chattanooga Won 57-2
Sep 6 Cincinnati Won 52-26
Sep 13 @Washington Won 55-14
Sep 27 TCU Won 35-10
Oct 4 @Baylor Won 49-17
Oct 11 Texas Lost 35-45
Oct 18 Kansas Won 45-31
Oct 25 @Kansas St. Won 58-35
Nov 1 Nebraska Won 62-28
Nov 8 @Texas A&M Won 66-28
Nov 22 Texas Tech Won 65-21
Nov 29 @Oklahoma St. Won 61-41
Dec 6 Missouri Won 62-21

So which game did Oklahoma play that was soo much better? And don't use the Trite.. Well they scored more points so they gotta be better then texas. Because when they played Texas they didn't score all those points and LOST.

If Oregon St ended the season as a 1 lost team as USC did then you would say Oregon St is the better team. They lost 4 games so this is why you'd say USC is better. Both oklahoma and texas lost 1 so it comes down to HEAD to HEAD as it does in the NFL.

And no playing 4 insanely hard games in a row has no effect. Try playing any varsity sports and you'll know this isnt true. Its extremely hard to bring the same intensity needed to beat some of the best teams every week. And even if you dont believe my personal experience its been said time and time again by players and announcers in both college and pros.

Jason White doesnt flop in big games ?? hahahhaha

Vs. Texas 14/26 113 yard 0tds 2 ints
Vs. USC 24/36 244 yards 2tds 3 ints

The only 2 big games he played and did terrible in both

Adrian Peterson
Vs. Texas 32 carries 225 yards
Vs. USC 25 carries 82 yards 1 Td

Ad Averaged rougly 170 yards per game, whereas jason white averaged a little over 200 yards that year. I don't know what school you went too but for it to be a "Qb team" wouldn't you expect the QB to avg close to 300-400 yards like OK/Texas did this year? And have the RB avg not as high?

And i reply to everything you say, I just don't use the quotes because it is just alot of wasted space.

And the being away from a month I've made a valid point that you just cant seem to fathom. I said family and FRIENDS not just family. And when you go to college you'll see all the time people heading back home during mid-semester to grab stuff and see their friends back at their home. And if nothing else when they are gone for a month they can't see their friends which during college they get to see every day.

Son of JayJamJah

Most all of them; They won by larger margins against against five of six like opponents including a 44 point drubbing against the team that beat Texas. The only exception is the A&M match-up in which Texas won by a margin two points greater then Oklahoma.

Also Oklahoma's non-conference schedule is considerably better including TCU and Cincinnati; both have been ranked in the top 10 this season.


Actually in the NFL system the Sooners would get in also. Texas Tech has one loss as well so head to head is thrown out and it goes to division record (same), conference record (same) and finally scoring margin where Oklahoma has the edge over the Longhorns and the Red Raiders.

The BCS will never be fair but there are just as many if not more arguments for Oklahoma then Texas.

To me this Bowl season has proven a few things.

1. The bowls (to goddamn many) are now all meaningless and thus mostly terrible. Still I can live with half the bowls being meaningless, but when the Orange Bowl sucked as hard as it did this year...geez.

2. Need a playoff or plus one system now; Utah, USC and Texas, if they win vs. OSU all will have just as good if not better claims to the National Championship at the end of the season as will the winner of the Oklahoma\Florida game.

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thegoldlaw

You hear almost no one saying Texas Tech should be ranked above Okla or Texas. Sure the logic is there but Tech's win vs Texas needed alot of skilled plays and luck. Dude dropping an int that went right into his hand? Then Crabtree not stepping out of bounce or being tackled. Texas systematically beat Oklahoma, even with the best proformance from the Heisman they still lost by 10.

Also when Tech played Texas, Texas was missing their #1 WR in Cosby and in my mind the best Defensive player Brian Orakpo. Also the game was PLAYED @ tech. Texas Vs Oklahoma was on a neutral field.

And once again people using the.. Well they scored all those points. Do you ever watch Texas' games, if so then you'd know when they feel they have the game won they sit their starters, its called class.

Lets take a look into NFL for a second since the best offensive teams in NCAA arent legit due to SOS.

NFL
1. New Orleans Saints 410.7
2. Denver Broncos 395.8
3. Houston Texans 382.1
4. Arizona Cardinals 365.8
5. New England Patriots 365.4

those are the top scoring offensive. Here is a question how many are still in the playoffs?

Now lets look @ the defense

1. Pittsburgh Steelers 237.2
2. Baltimore Ravens 261.1
3. Philadelphia Eagles 274.3
4. Washington Redskins 288.8
5. New York Giants 292.0

How many of those teams are still in the playoffs?

DEFENSE wins Championships NOT offense.

Son of JayJamJah

I didn't say anything about offense or defense. I said scoring margin which is a combination of offense and defense.

Also ridiculous to compare stats from NFL and NCAA football. Talent is obviously much closer in the NFL from team to team.

All of your other points are just homer excuses and have no validity in any unbiased discussion.

I'm not saying Oklahoma should be there, I am just saying Texas has no more right then they do.

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thegoldlaw

As mentioned before, okalahoma runs up the score and this is why the win margin is in okalahoma's favor. Texas sits their starters when the game is won. So win margin isnt a factor when you have coachs like stoop with no class.

And in college when you get to the elite teams, the talent is very close, much like what you'd expect in NFL. So it is not absurd to compare the elite teams vs elite teams in college to those in the NFL.

Hrm.. i gave stats to backup almost everything I said and still no validty.. interesting.. I still havent heard any stats to backup otherwise.

And Texas has no right to complain that they arent in the NC game? They lost on the road on the last play with 2 of their best players out? Oklahoma lost to texas with all their players playing their absolute best.


And you want a playoff? Honestly if there was a playoff you know who i'd expect to win it all? Mississippi, they are a USC 2.0, win the few big games they have and lose to junk teams.

Edit. Sorry they arent USC 2.0, Mississippi acturally plays good teams during the regular season, and wins more then just 1 of them.

ProggyMan

I see two OOC wins against ranked opponents that Texas lacks.

Oklahoma plvyed a tougher schedule, it's ridiculous to compare CFB to the NFL, don't bull****.

Stop making excuses for Texas, Oklahoma played more good teams end of story.

I never said he didn't flop in big games, and it's not relevant to my point.

I never said they were a run and gun offense, just that they had the ability to throw the ball, they were not reliant on the run.

You've ignored everything I've said about how you hold USC to standards you ignore for teams from conferences you consider 'better'.

This is such bull****, you're actually saying that players being homesick is an unfair advantage for USC?

See above.

ProggyMan

Lol, maybe Oklahoma's offense wouldn't look so dynamic in comparison to USC if they didn't run up the score.

Yes it is, There are 119 D-1 colleges and 32 NFL teams, and the NFL teams have fewer players. Do the math.

Injuries happen, you never weigh them in when comparing teams.

USC has 1 loss to a very good team, Ole Miss has 4 and to actual bad teams.

Stfu, here you go again ignoring the proof I've given.

So what? at the end of the day both teams lost.

Yet again, injuries, happen, you can't factor them into the rankings.

agreed, Stoops is classless. In fact I doubt Oklahoma's offense would look as good in comparison to USC...

You mean defense's like USC's? Your contradictions are getting kind of funny now.

ProggyMan

Here's one of my arguments you've ignored, just so you can catch up:
USC has beaten 3 ranked teams, out of the top 5 only Oklahoma has beaten more, why are the other 3 better?