Lingerie Football League (American Football)
 

LINGERIE FOOTBALL LEAGUE / LINGERIE BOWL FRANCHISE - TRUE FANTASY FOOTBALL

I think its another garbage thing along the lines of Slamball and the XFL, but Ill probably watch the first one, who knows it might be cool... ...

Your thoughts?

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Lingerie Football League
 

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YouTube - Lingerie Football League - San Diego Seduction @ Dallas Desire highlights - Game 2 Season 2

YouTube - Lingerie Football League tryouts

Too gimmicky and tame for my liking... We live in the age of freaking Internet porn!

Seriously, this is a ****ing joke if you ask me.
The guy above me knows the truth, that's like in the old days having girls wrestle in mud, which I actually find disgusting.

Bummer, I clicked on this thread expecting a bunch of big bulky men in lingerie. :(

I have no idea how this league even exists... AKA how do they generate profit? I don't even know who would pay to go to the games. You wanna see sexy girls wearing lingerie, go to Google. You wanna see bad football, go to a Buffalo Bills game. I don't really wanna see these things mixed, apparently some people do. More power to them, and to the league if they are making money. I just don't know how they are doing it. Why don't the guys in the stands just hit a strip joint?

I feel the lingerie bowl is sad, sick, and demeaning toward women, since it just encourages people to value women mostly for their beauty. How pathetic, that the only way you can get people to watch women athletes playing American football is to have the women strip down and wear bikinis.

The lingerie bowl makes me especially sad because there actually is a women's full tackle football league, the IWFL, which has the sport as its main goal rather than titillating audiences. How sad that news agencies don't focus on this league and the hard work and accomplishments of the athletes:

IWFL: Independent Women's Football League - where the SPORT is what matters:

Independent Women's Football League (IWFL)

it's stupid.
a bunch of horny old losers got bored and decided to degrade women.

If it was Lady Gaga doing it you'd be saying how she's 'making a statement about women's sexuality' or some crap.

Oh, the lingerie football league women *are* making a statement about women's sexuality, Urban, just as Lady Gaga is, but I see their statements as being somewhat different. Here are the statements I hear them saying:

Lingerie Football League women: "We're sexy and hot! Objectify us! We love it! Watch us fight together for your pleasure!"

Lady Gaga: "I'm sexy and hot and funny-looking and odd and violent and angry and horrifying and loving. Objectify me but realize I am more than just an image to be consumed, and so your objectification fails. I will not let myself be categorized into some mold you create for me. I am my own unique person."

To me, the difference is pretty obvious--I can feel it when I watch them--although I agree there is some overlap in their statements. Maybe you don't see it the same way as I do, though.

My favorite statement, by the way, is by Brandi Chastain of soccer fame who also plays in the International Women's Football League: she is just living her life as an athlete, appreciating her fellow athletes and the chance they have to play their sports together. I admire her quite a bit because her statement is in how she lives her daily life.

How ironic, I just post about this league in the Ruin Your Own Thread... uh.... thread. Regardless, it's a great idea. It's great to have the lingerie leage and the full pad league, I wouldn't want to see some of those women in lingerie. The LFL has standards, much like those of your local gentlemans club, and I like it.

Ever wonder how to make money off of womens sports? There you go. WNBA, take note. Get hotter players, and have them play in underwear.

You're the one objectifying them, not me.

The fact that I view the Lingerie League women as making a certain statement (the statement being that "It is okay to objectify us") doesn't mean I view the women as objects.

And I never said you objectify them. I suggested that perhaps you don't view the statements made by Lady Gaga and by the Lingerie League as being very different from each other.

I only wish that was true... :(

Besides, I think that the fact she has so many official makeup kits, dress up kits, etc, and the fact she so leads young girls to imitate her rather than formulate unique personalities is far more exploitive to women than ANY lingerie bowl.

As silly as the lingerie bowl is, it's just about selling sex to men for stimulation. Young women are NOT going to look up to a bunch of floozies in lingerie as much as they will a "free spirited" figure like Gaga. There are strip clubs, porn mags, and non-porn mags that equally sell half naked and naked men for this purpose to women. Objectifying is a two way door, and really, I think it's a perfectly natural thing if not taken too seriously.

This lingerie bowl I just don't like, it's silly. However, it doesn't rot the minds of thousands who could be aspiring themselves. Gaga fit herself into a "sexy" mold because she knew that she couldn't sell albums without doing that.

Telling anybody who might be inspired by her it's more important to make money than truly have control over one own's self image. Say what you want, but that's always the way it's appeared to me.

I do however commend the mentioning of the real female football league. Obviously, to support the message, it's something that deserves exposure.

Yes, I was pleased to find out about the real female football league, too, Skaligojurah! :) I didn't know one existed until I checked online before making my post earlier. Then I was annoyed that I'd never heard of the league before...and certainly never saw it on prime-time TV!

I didn't realize young girls are copying Gaga...although I remember a young boy singing Paparazzi very passionately. Wait, now...oh yes...there was a video of female dancers dressed up like Gaga. My guess is that people will probably copy both Gaga and the Lingerie League, because people often want to be popular and they copy what other people who get attention are doing.

Yep, the Lingerie League is an example of women selling sexual titillation to men. Same old, same old. It irks me that men aren't encouraged as heavily to be in the "sexy" mold. And I have issues with the sexy mold anyway.

Also, I don't like the selling part. If someone is going to try to turn someone else on, I want it to be a gift, not a business transaction. But even if the Lingerie League weren't pay-for-view, I'd still be bothered by it, because I don't like sexuality being the main method by which human interaction occurs. This doesn't mean I'm against people's sexuality, though.

Men are encouraged to be in the "rich and famous" mold. So they can score one of those "objectified" women so she can live off of them for a few years and then get divorced and take half of everything. Then she doesn't have to be objectified anymore. What a happy ending.

Ohhhh! I see now. It all makes sense! :D

Thank you, Crash. A happy ending, indeed!

wow, i don't think i've ever been more flaccid than i am right now.

The real women's football league will never be watched... Nobody wants to see ugly women play a sport that men play a million times better.

I don't find the lingerie football league degrading really.. I just view it as an opportunity for sexy girls to make a good amount of money without really doing that much. When you're that beautiful, you are selling your sex appeal. That's why there are models. They aren't embarrassed by their bodies that they've worked hard on.

The point is that the Independent Women's Football League (IWFL) isn't *trying* to turn anyone on like the Lingerie League women are. The IWFL athletes are simply people playing a sport they love to play. I wouldn't expect watching a sport...whether one with female or male athletes...to be a turn-on, anticipation.

The IWFL certainly has some fans, so I disagree with your statement that it "will never be watched," since that is false already.

Also, your perspective that no one wants to see "ugly" women play a sport is odd, because people who really love and respect and understand sports don't watch them because someone is considered beautiful or not...they watch them to see people overcoming obstacles through hard work and skill, within their skill range. That's my view, at least. Sports are about developing your personal athletic skills to the best of your ability. Winning is really a secondary issue, I feel.

Example: if a 7 foot tall man can dunk a ball in a basketball hoop all the time, I'm not too impressed. If a 5 foot tall woman makes a slam dunk sometimes...THAT impresses me.

The Lingerie Football League is no more degrading than being a pin-up poster and having people not care about anything other than your appearance.

I definitely find it degrading that the Lingerie Football League women are encouraged not to protect their skin, because the lack of jerseys increases the chance of skin abrasion and damage during tackling and skids on the turf:

http://cdn.holytaco.com/www/sites/de..._1884514_n.jpg

And here's a good quote from a mom of one of the Lingerie League's players:The Lingerie League, not degrading toward women? Ha!

http://www.bustedcoverage.com/wp-con...970c-500wi.jpg

No worse than what I can see in any bar on a Saturday night.

Anyway it's no more degrading that working some shitty job for as little pay as some employer can get away with paying.

Get some perspective, grown consenting women running around on a field in their underwear and getting paid for it is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Can we get away from this extremely tedious 'woman should be precious flowers that should never be exploited or lusted after' fallacy and concentrate on some real issues instead that benefit everybody.

Thanks.

Yeah, that was a pretty obvious non-literal statement by me. Of course I didn't mean literally 0 people have ever watched it. But most people don't even know it exists. Most people couldn't even name a team. I bet not one person I have ever met even knows the league exists.

Uhhh... yeah. Call me up when that 5 foot woman dunks in one in your dreams.

Basically I view these women as people who are very athletic but not quite good enough to play a professional sport or be in the Olympics...Women who also happen to be sexy as hell... Who get to make a lot of money and still play football against other athletic girls. I just don't really see anything wrong with it. It's every person's choice whether something is degrading. These girls choose to play, knowing they are selling their sex appeal... They are comfortable with their bodies, they know they are hott, why not make some good money off of it?

Since the thread topic is about the Lingerie Football League and what we think about it, Urban, I suppose you could get away from this topic...but that would mean you wouldn't come into this thread! :p:

I agree women are very strong and are not "precious flowers" any more than any person is a precious flower, but I feel the issue of exploiting people isn't tedious at all. I feel it is very important. For example, people shouldn't have to work at some ****ty job for as little pay as some employer can get away with paying. That's an important issue. If like you say the Lingerie League Football is about as degrading as people being paid too little, then that means it is also an issue worthy of thought.

The issue is that grown consenting women might prefer to run around on a field playing football getting paid a lot for it without having to get cut up due to being told in their contracts to wear skimpy uniforms. The issue is that society doesn't seem to support women athletes as much as male athletes, and so women have fewer opportunities to make big bucks in athletics like men do without resorting to sexual tactics.

What *do* you feel are some real issues that benefit everybody? And if some issue benefits primarily women, why shouldn't that matter?

Anyway, I think all people are precious flowers. And there is nothing wrong with lusting. But when lust overtakes all other emotions, then I feel it probably is a problem...emotions like basic compassion for the women on the field getting skinned up because some men and women will pay to see that.

Urban is just mad that there's no Lingerie Soccer League...















































With men.

:laughing:

Maybe he's mad because he tried out but couldn't make it! :D

(Ha ha. No...I think he could make it. I'm just joking)

Look! This might be Urban's Lingerie Soccer League tryout video!

I'd only be interested if you were in it big boy :love:

No, Models are a trick to sell non-sex through the means of exploiting the non-openness of sexuality in modern culture, and association people have with their own frustrations. There can and is some art in modeling(and art modeling can be quite awesome if creativity is applied) but in most cases it's more exploitive, and frankly extremely dishonest, than anything. Maybe that's just my personal disdain for commercial society, though.

Plus, the mention of this being legit dangerous is another issue. I mean, I don't know, I don't find anything sexually appealing about the concept. I mean, for me the problem isn't objectifying it's indirectness.

If you want to watch porn, watch porn. Porn is good. Porn is natural. Porn is what it is. You watch it, and masturbate. It's a good way to release tension. For me, that's perfectly normal from a male/female perspective as healthy activity. Not to say porn isn't exploitive, it's just... it is what it is, and you can take it for that.

This whole "I'm to insecure to watch porn, or admit it, so I'll watch something sexual that's obscured with some gimmick to make it seem more tasteful fun." is what bothers me. I already think the whole "beer and football... yeah, cause I'm a dude... man power!" attitude is silly enough but having to adhere to this whole zombie-clone "football and tits... that's like the man power dream! Go dude stuff!" is just another means for people trying to sell you things to exploit your insecurities.

After all, You have access to free porn of varying quality and endless lack of discrimination for your weird fetishes in full length. Free porn which is actually directly sex not some bizarre very vaguely sexual fetish act that loosely resembles a supposedly "required" cultural staple as football/. An act to preserve a less non-comformist male identity, therefore not stick your head out, and have to deal with your unique sexual identity in public where you may face the scrutiny of others...

Or just go out and get laid but eh...

Are you a woman? Most men just like football and beer. Its called testosterone and its naturally occurring.

I didn't think broads playing football would cause such a fuss. I believe that 95% of the folk in this thread have not even sat down and checked this out, yet still run their mouths about the exploitation of the sexual appeal of woman. Well, woman figured out just by having tits they can make money. It is surprisingly good. Aside from the sexual appeal, these girls go at it, and hard. Check out "tank" I think she plays for Cleveland. She is a modern day female Jerome The Bus Bettis.

This thread went to **** after the first post ;)

Eh, I'm just one of those men I guess who finds football dreadfully boring. I mean, maybe it's a natural outlet for that inner violence, but I think I found better ones.

I just don't get the point of this. If you cant let in big, nasty, ugly bitches who would knock most of these very cute, yet frankly anorectic, ladies five stands into the audience, then it's not really a sport. I am dead honest when I'd like to women on TV who are appreciated for more than good looks. Then again, I'd like to see a general curbing of the consumerist narcissism that forces 14 year old girls to starve themselves to death for acceptance, but what are you going to do?

Yet, seeming the general consensus is that it's not a particularly enticing activity watching women mutilate each other half naked. What I'm saying though has nothing to do with liking football or not liking football. It's the fact this is a random pasting together of two "man" things in order to appeal to the "poker buddy" crowd.

Then again, I like ranting and creating philosophical arguments from concepts that were obviously not intended to create them. Personal vice, I think.

Oh, I'm one of the 5% who checked out the website and videos about the Lingerie League, Thrice. I documentated how the viewers' taste for scantily clad women leads to unnecessary injuries of the women, which is one reason I find the Lingerie League degrading.

There's nothing wrong with women playing football. I don't find anything bad about the International Women's Football League (IWFL), where they play contact American football with regular uniforms and teams...other than my usual complaints about American football, which I dislike because it has unnecessary collisions and tackling that hurt people.

I'm surprised you thought your thread topic wouldn't cause a fuss. You knew it was only a matter of time until I noticed it! ;)

I see the Lingerie League as a weird combination of sexuality and violence in which some people put themselves at risk, and are encouraged to do so, to get others off. Sex often seems to be about people using others for their own pleasure without caring for them, and I don't like that or social activities like the Lingerie League that glorify this dynamic.

I also agree with you that the whole beer and football-loving plus lets-see-how-many-women-I-can-oogle stereotypical image that men seem to be pressed into is silly...as if beer and football and womanizing make someone a man. However, some men (and women) really do seem to relish the combination.

Do you think they're trying to make up for their insecurities ("I'm weak! I'm not a man!") or do you think they are just genuinely giving in to their urges ("Sex! Violence! Yee-haw!")?

I hadn't thought of the indirectness of the sexuality in the Lingerie League as being an issue, mostly because when I watch the promo videos the sexuality seems pretty darn direct.

Making philosophical arguments about some social activity isn't a personal vice at all, Skaligojurah...it's called sociology! :D

I agree football and contact sports are an outlet for inner violence...and I don't feel there is anything wrong with inner violence (I've got my share)...but I DO feel it is wrong when people hurt themselves or others physically as they let out their inner violence.

And, frankly, I don't know if football really lets out violence--I think it just exacerbates and strengthens it. The feeling that I get from this thread is that there are quite a few people who *do* find it enticing to watch women mutilate each other half naked. Their response isn't much different from the accounts I hear of people cheering when a man in football gets bashed to the ground and is writhing in pain.

As with your example of the 14-year-olds girls encouraged to get super skinny for acceptance, I also don't like the Lingerie League because in it I feel the people are debasing themselves for acceptance and approval by others. I can feel this when I watch the bikini-clad women playing...a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that these Lingerie League women, for whatever social reasons, are willing to skin themselves up and pound on each other ultimately for the sake of the viewers.

If they did this for free, just for fun, with no one watching and paying, then I'd have no problem with the Lingerie League. But I would wonder why they don't play football with uniforms on to actually help protect themselves from the abrasions I showed earlier.

And back to Urban's example of women being scantily clad in bars. I have no problem with people dressing up sexily if they want to. But if people in the bar then encouraged a woman to be dragged across the rough wooden floor on her exposed midriff, and she, eager to please and get paid for it, agreed...you BET I'd have a problem with that.

^You could write a book on the ****ing topic!!!

Why?

If she's in a bar then she's obviously old enough to make her own decisions. You can't possibly know the reason as to why she's doing it.

Maybe she finds it funny
Maybe she's doing it because she has a sick child
Maybe she gets a kick out of it
Maybe it's desperation
Maybe she's the sort of person willing to do anything for a bet.
Maybe she's an exhibitionist

You say your not judging the people that are doing it but you are because you are forcing your own morality onto them and assuming that they're being exploited. The truth is you couldn't possibly know if they are being exploited unless you asked them.

I guess you have to have a set to appreciate such a great thing. I guess I'm just a pretty typical guy. I get off drinking beer, watching football, and eye ****ing women. Its completely a gimmick, that is making money by combining three things that most men enjoy. I don't think it is degrading at all. Women unlike Erica, enjoy flaunting their goods in order to get what they want. Its how girls that graduated high school with looks and sub par GPA get bread. Im sure if the league gave them the option to put on more clothes and earn less money, they would remain bare assed with a fatter paycheck. If they dont like it thy can go work at Hooters and make a lot less money. I don't know what is wrong with a half decent investment by a company targeting such a large group.

I guess you have to have a set to appreciate such a great thing. I guess I'm just a pretty typical guy. I get off drinking beer, watching football, and eye ****ing women. Its completely a gimmick, that is making money by combining three things that most men enjoy. I don't think it is degrading at all. Women unlike Erica, enjoy flaunting their goods in order to get what they want. Its how girls that graduated high school with looks and sub par GPA get bread. Im sure if the league gave them the option to put on more clothes and earn less money, they would remain bare assed with a fatter paycheck. If they dont like it thy can go work at Hooters and make a lot less money. I don't know what is wrong with a half decent investment targeting such a large group.

My example of people dragging a woman with a bare midriff across a rough wooden bar floor, which presumably rips up her skin just like the turf in the Lingerie League rips up the skin of football players wearing bikinis, is to show how both situations physically HURT someone.

I don't want people to physically hurt themselves, whether the person wants to be physically hurt or not. You are right that this is part of my morality. If someone is willing to be physically harmed for money, I don't feel that is a good thing. I'm not going to support it or encourage it. I don't blame the person being dragged. I blame the people in the bar who encourage her to do something to hurt herself. I judge the onlookers and the perpetrators, Urban, not the woman herself.

So, my judging is actually far wider and deeper than you suggest.

If the bar woman is letting people do this to her because she is desperate or has a sick child, I'm not just going to stand by and let her get hurt. I'd HELP her. And yes, I would judge a person, and harshly, who sits by and gets pleasure from watching someone else suffer.

If the bar woman just lets herself be dragged for kicks and *likes* getting her skin ripped up and bloody while being dragged through the stale beer and dirt, then I still would not encourage her to do this. I would tell the people doing it to stop. Yes, you are right, that is me placing my moral value judgements on someone else.

People have the legal right (which I agree with) to decide if they want to harm themselves or be harmed...even kill themselves...but that doesn't mean I will support them doing this.

I agree it is good to ask people if they feel they are being exploited. Have all the Lingerie League women been asked if they feel they are being exploited? Can we assume if someone looks happy that she is? If I see someone in a situation that my judgement says is exploitation, I won't just assume that she necessarily enjoys it.

Why are you portraying these women as victims? They are football players, they get paid to play a sport they obviously like playing. They get paid to have fun, let it go. I'm jealous too.

You are taking the whole injury aspect of this way too far... So basically the lack of material leads to worse wounds... Jesus Christ, they are cuts and bruises. They are being asked to play football here. Actually, I'll rephrase that, they are getting PAID to play football here. They get paid a good chunk of money to do hardly anything. Give me a job where I risk getting a bruise or some scrapes and get paid tons.

Your thoughts, like your thoughts about football, always come back to injuries. People are not like you. They will risk injury for the reward. People have different priorities. Some of these girls probably enjoy playing the football, and some of them just enjoy being out there to be hott and collect a check. The quotes about "they are serious athletes and very good!" are useless. There are a lot of serious athletes out there. There's a lot of really good athletes out there. Not everyone can play professionally.

Now I realize there's no pro football league for women (Not a nationally recognized or covered one)... Which poses this question: Since these women are playing football, are they really serious athletes, considering they realize there is no WNFL? Not really. I think you said a lot of them also model. So they are making money off of their bodies. Why is that a big deal? They take great care of themselves, and they are making a living off of it.

Crash, I agree with you that the Lingerie League players aren't victims in the traditional sense. They've read their contract and agreed to it. They had a choice not to join. Plus, the women who participate because they love the sport could, probably, find or start their own chapter of the real football Independent Women's Football League, where women get the same protection men get...but no money.

However, I do feel that the Lingerie League women are, in a wider sense, victims of a society that emphasizes women’s physical beauty over ability in certain professions, and encourages women to be willing to be sex objects to get ahead, which I feel is sad.

Also, Crash, just because someone isn’t a victim doesn’t mean the person isn’t being exploited.

An example that you might relate to is soldiers in the U.S. military who have been more likely to enlist during these poorer economic times and tough job market. Are soldiers being exploited of a war-mongering society that fails to provide economic security for its members through non-violent means, or are the soldiers merely taking advantage of an opportunity that the military “graciously” offers them? I feel U.S. soldiers are both being exploited while also taking advantage of an opportunity. Similarly, I feel the Lingerie League exploits women while also giving them an opportunity they wouldn’t otherwise have.

I agree with a Baltimore Sun editorialist, who wrote:
If you are still jealous of the Lingerie League players, Crash, then by all means join...gentlemen first ;) ...because I'm not jealous at all, and here’s why:

(1) I've read up on the Lingerie League, and it turns out each woman makes only about $500 (£ 311.71) per game, which I feel isn't worth the risk of injuries due to having sub-par protective equipment and uniforms. Apparently, though, they feel the chance to have “exposure” and increased future job opportunities is worth the risks and the unfairness of having to strip down in order to become a female American football celebrity.

(2) Having to play a full contact, tough sport in which players get concussions, broken bones, torn ligaments, and turf burns without proper uniforms *is* a sacrifice, and some Lingerie League players actually see their uniforms as the sacrifice a woman is forced to pay in order to play football semi-professionally.

One Lingerie League player says, "We don’t live in an ideal world. Sometimes you make a sacrifice to play your sport. I do realize the exploitation that goes on to promote attendance, but I do believe there is exploitation on both sides. Yes, we are going to wear our bathing suits, but you are also going to buy the tickets, and we are enabled to become professional athletes where otherwise we wouldn’t even be able to afford to play in the arena." Down, set, strip: The Lingerie Football League | American Observer

(3) The contract that Lingerie League players sign sounds awful. Players aren’t allowed to criticize the Lingerie League, or quit without owing money, and so their claims of “love for playing” the game are suspect. See below:

(4) Finally, I'm not envious of the Lingerie League players receive very few health benefits, and ex-players who have requested that the Lingerie League help pay for ongoing physical problems due to injuries were refused. The Lingerie League is like the NFL but without the good salary and fully protective uniforms!

Here's a good article about the Lingerie League: "Some complain that contracts offered by Lingerie Football League don’t treat players fairly"
Orlandoweekly.com - NEWS+FEATURES: Fumble

Dirty, the Lingerie League women face more than just cuts and bruises...they face injuries like any contact football team, but without protective pads for their breasts, or covering for their legs and torsos...so they may actually risk more injuries than the men who play American football professionally. And like I said to Crash, the Lingerie League women are getting paid MUCH less than men in the NFL. They aren’t able to make a living by being in the Lingerie League.

"People are not like you"--that may be true, Dirty, though there are a few people out there like me...one or two, maybe...who wouldn’t risk their health for money or fame. I don’t think that risking your body in the Lingerie League is “taking great care of themselves." When one goal of many players is to get noticed or pad their modeling resume, risking the very body whose beauty is their selling point in their future jobs is a pretty big risk.

In answer to your question, some of the Lingerie League women actually are athletes who wanted to play American football professionally, but couldn’t because they are women. I think you are right, though, that most of the women hope to use the LL to further their modeling or other careers. I feel it is sad that women are encouraged to show off their bodies to get ahead in their professions.

And now I'll conclude with some videos about the INDEPENDENT WOMEN'S FOOTBALL LEAGUE...where women get to be athletes *and* protect themselves like male athletes:

http://www.youtube.com/IWFL#p/a/f/1/_AGO9VkUuMg

http://www.youtube.com/IWFL#p/a/f/0/IaSUxodryd0

and here is a video featuring the IWFL Philadelphia Firebirds:



And I just found out there IS a National Woman's Football Association, the NWFA: http://www.womensfootballassociation.com/

@0:58 Number 55 :rofl: Fantastic pass protection!

Oh and I think I've heard of this LFL stuff before. It's kinda stupid. It reminds me of something I'd see in a beer commercial.