The Batlord

Well, at least he didn't go to jail. He'd have had a tough time keeping quiet about anal rape then.

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butthead aka 216

heh


not that he woulda went to jail.

The Batlord

What, for ignoring a pedophile and allowing him to rape underage boys? Nope. Totally legal.

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butthead aka 216

You're right. He ignored him by immediately reporting information he was given to people above him. I see you followed the case very closely.

Janszoon

You're right. He didn't ignore child rape, he actively colluded with a couple others to conceal it in order to preserve the reputation of a game. He's a hero!

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Lord Larehip

Maybe that's the problem right there. Building a university on football?? It should be built on academics. I don't spend myself into debt for the next 30 years attending a university because I care about football. Meanwhile, some cement-headed thug with a number on his back gets in for free on a scholarship because he can run with a ball tucked under his arm.

butthead aka 216

Totally false statement in my opinion. I guess that's where we differ.

Paul Smeenus

Actually the difference between Janszoon and you is that Janszoon is speaking from the standpoint of exhaustive research, evidence, literally millions of examined documents, sworn statements from the particulars including Paterno himself that he understood the sexual contact with underage boys, that JP's "reporting" of the matter was in fact a concerted effort to keep the matter quiet between Paterno and PSU officials This is all exhaustively outlined point by point in the Freeh Report.

You, on the other hand, are going off a COMPLETELY uninvestigated "opinion". It's like claiming that 2+2=5 because that's my opinion, dammit.

The following video describes this phenomenon, although on a totally different topic. If you simply replace the words "climate change" with the words "The Freeh Report", this video would be demonstrating your unsupported, indefensible conclusion perfectly




...although to be perfectly frank, I believe you're less committed to defending Paterno than you are to getting a reaction. OK, you succeeded. Once.

There are people that responded to this thread that I respect (such as Fred Hale Sr.) saying that they chose to remember Paterno for the good he did (and he did, not just in football but in other facets of the university, especially academics). I will have to agree to disagree with them, IMO the actions, the cover-up surrounding Sandusky, the willful disregard for their responsibilities under the Clery Act, the failure to protect these children and the enabling of Sandusky to continue raping young boys for 10 more years after it has been conclusively proven they knew what he was doing, that is bigger than any of the good that was done.

Those that defend Paterno saying he reported the matter to his "superiors" (although, while technically his superiors, there is evidence what was not the reality of the matter), I say this. Sandusky continued in his position for 10 years after Paterno admits he knew that Sandusky was having sex with young boys on campus. Were I in that position, I would've been actively contacting any and all governing authorities, all the way to the President if I had to, to get that man arrested. I believe almost anyone would. And not 10 years after the fact but immediately and persistently. Paterno was concerned about a football program instead of child rape victims. This is proven.

butthead aka 216

To say I haven't done my fair share of research is ignorant on your part. The Freeh report isn't a legal document of any sort and there wasn't a subpoena forcing anyone to talk. The result is that the key witnesses weren't even talked to. The conclusions of the report are a bit overstated. A lot of the conclusion of Freeh is based on one or two very vague emails. Emails that I don't consider obvious signs of anything wrongdoing.

The media sensationalism has done a shockingly good job at demonizing Paterno. Comments like Batlord's are a good indicator of how the media can shift opinions any way they want to. I'm still confused why Joe was never given any benefit of the doubt, when he above anyone else involved in sports history has earned it. I think that speaks to our love of conflict, scandal, and tearing down idols.

He admitted before he died that he wished he had done more and of course hindsight is 20/20. I don't believe he knew that Sandusky was raping boys. I find that idea absurd actually and I have no reason to believe that. It's said McQueary didn't come forward with exactly what he saw either. I believe Joe was told that Sandusky was doin something that could be sexual, so he told some superiors who he figured would handle it and those superiors sat on the info. McQueary himself said that he never told Joe he saw a rape happening. And if Paterno wanted to cover things up, why would he tell anyone? The best way to keep a secret certainly isn't immediately telling other people.

Sad part is that Joe can't defend himself and will never get that chance. On a side note, the NCAA is a complete joke with their spiel about PSU's culture of sports over everything being unacceptable. Who do you think supports those cultures and profits from them? Take a trip to Mobile, Alabama and tell me a rampant sports > everything culture doesn't exist elsewhere. That was a save-face move by the NCAA, but now I am rambling and going off-topic