Originally Posted by anticipation

The inclusion of games like darts, snooker, pool, bowling, etc. in this discussion as a justification for why "eSports" should be seen as true sports is ridiculous because none of those activities meet the criteria I would deem most necessary in any definition of sports. That being physical contact with another human being, and the significantly high chance of serious injury resulting from said contact. There's a reason that people value the big 4 sports much more than they do "professional video gaming", and it more than likely has something to do with the fact that athletes are putting their bodies on the line every play and risk tearing ACL/MCL's, concussions, and broken bones, as opposed to having sore thumbs and tired eyes from watching a monitor all day and night. True athletes are constantly pushing the limits of their bodies and minds, and sitting around with a controller in your hand is most certainly not as physically taxing as outright contact at high speeds. Just because you have an organized and competitive framework does not immediately justify you calling yourself a sport. There has to be a level of physical contact in conjunction with a high degree of mental stress, not one or the other. There are games, and then there are sports. In my eyes it is this key difference that separates the two.

Originally Posted by anticipation

There's a reason that people value the big 4 sports...

Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

i havent i refuse to in fact. it triggers my ptsd from yrs ago when i thought my ex's anal beads were those edible candy necklaces

Originally Posted by Dr. Rez

Keep it in your pants scottie.

Originally Posted by TheBig3

You know the more I thought about the "definition" argument, the more I realized it didn't make any sense. Given that we say things like "old sport" and "Give it a sporting chance", the word doesn't seem to really come from actions as we'd define it today.

So then I asked my old friend entomology about it and he said:

[Middle English sporte, short for disporte, from Old French desport, pleasure, from desporter, to divert; see disport.]

Which loosely translated means eSports are the very definition of sport.

Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

It's probably worth noting that if one takes pure etymological meaning, one also has to take etymological context. The word sport initially found its meaning before there were computers, so the ability for high mental exertion without physical exertion was relatively limited - there was no need when the word was defined to include or exclude activities you don't even have to stand up for or more your hands more than a foot (or even your feet) for hours on end. Personally, I do not consider bar games like snooker or darts sports, but there is an argument for them being included, based on the dual-meaning of sport.

Sport, as a word, carries two connotations. The first is the physical exertion that has been mentioned so many times. Now, sport is an ever evolving word, and as I've already shown initial definitions can lose context in modern society, so it does not always work to simply apply the definition and have at. In this case, the simple fact that one has to argue that the definition technically doesn't exclude eSports as sports makes it abundantly clear that, for the average person, the old definition of sports doesn't really hold. How is this "lay-person definition" defined? Who knows! One thing seems to stand out though, and that is that playing sports is good for your general fitness and improves the wellbeing of your body. eSports on the other hand are almost entirely mental activities - yes, they do require some physical ability at high levels, but there is a reason why the greatest Startcraft players do not have well-toned bodies at peak fitness.

The second meaning of sport however, seems to relate to competitiveness. At a fundamental level, anything with rules that people initially play for fun is a Game. Once it becomes competitive, it starts changing into a "Sport". So using competitiveness as a marker, eSports, Darts and Snooker are all most certainly sports.

Where does this leave us? Possibly, some redefinitions are needed. It is true that eSports need a moniker that differentiate them from couch gaming for fun - there are untold levels of skill and dedication between them. "eSports" in itself carries derogatory tones, and such new word or adaptation would then for me include other "games" played at professional level, like Chess, Darts and Snooker.

At the same time, the meaning of the word Sport as something you can tell people to do that's fun but also increases their general physical wellbeing and health needs to be preserved - I would be entirely against the branding of eSports as Sports because of the excuses it would then bring to rise. With a new word to define the competitive aspect, the subset of competitive games which are considered physically (and probably more accurately, cardio-vascularly) exerting enough to be defined a Sport by the lay-person can remain defined so, thus preventing a perversion of an old word applied to new contexts.


As an aside, I can totally understand why one would want to remove the stigma of "eSports" from something which does require a lot of skill and training of (a veeeeeeery small amount of) muscles. IF it is being done to professionally justify their playing. NOT if it is being done in order to justify the replacement of other "Sports" in the regimen of well-being.

Originally Posted by James

Hell yeah guys, lets get Tetris into the next Olympics!

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

As for me, my inbox is as of yet testicle-free, and hopefully remains that way. Don't the rest of you get any ideas.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

I'll have you know, my ancestors were Kings of Wicklow! We're as Irish as losing a three-nil lead in a must-win fixture!

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

I don't agree, for reasons covered earlier, but regardless, here, have an unbelievably impressive video of someone playing Tetris.

Originally Posted by James

Amateur.
Anyway, I was joking. I don't really agree with this thread. I just think sport demands exercise, as others have said.

Originally Posted by TheBig3

As others have said with little basis other than "I was raised to believe..."

If you tried to do what was done in this thread, in a thread about religion you would be crucified.

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

As for me, my inbox is as of yet testicle-free, and hopefully remains that way. Don't the rest of you get any ideas.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

I'll have you know, my ancestors were Kings of Wicklow! We're as Irish as losing a three-nil lead in a must-win fixture!