The English Football Thread

DreamingOfAlbion · 03-20-2011, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

Try and find out the particular region in England your ancestors are from and I'll give you some options.
I'll even put them in order of success and include a little background history to help you choose...

Thanks, that would be great. I started researching a bit and narrowed it down to 14 possible areas of England so I still have quite a lot of searching to do. I've always had a fascination with England and it's culture (and especially it's music) so I've been wanting to figure out where my ancestors were from for a while now. Hopefully I can figure out exactly where they originated.

EvilChuck · 03-21-2011, 07:19 PM

Not really football performance related, but has anyone heard Asamoah Gyan's music? He's a featured artist on a couple of Ghanaian singer Castro D'Destroyer's songs, they're quite good in all honesty. He performs under the name 'Baby Jet'.

Bulldog · 03-26-2011, 03:36 PM

BBC Sport - Football - Wales 0-2 England

Can't complain about the result or performance there - we totally outclassed them and got what we deserved. My confidence in Capello won't be anywhere near restored until he stops calling up wastes of space like James fucking Milner though. That man's flaws as a manager were well and truly exposed for me after that draw with Montenegro.

EvilChuck · 03-26-2011, 03:55 PM

Wales were absolute gash in the first half. I know they were trying to keep possession, but they literally just passed it along the back line, with no effort to move forward at all, which just meant that England could push up and squeeze them deeper and deeper until they made a mistake (which they did several times). Second half I thought England stopped pressurizing as much, the game was done and they were just looking to get through without any mishaps, and it allowed Wales more time on the ball to go forward which gave the impression that they were coming back into it. In reality, Wales were never going to score.

Sneer · 03-26-2011, 04:10 PM

I'm so glad Jack Wilshere is English. I know he's been hyped to high heaven this year, but it's justified in my opinion. Ashley Young looked sh*t hot too, but then I suppose anyone could against a Welsh team that has 3 players of genuine quality.

Mojo · 03-26-2011, 04:23 PM

Yeah, it was never likely to be a test but it was a neat, tidy performance. I know James Milner hasn't been on the best of form lately but when he is in form, I'll all for him starting in our midfield.

Bulldog · 03-26-2011, 08:14 PM

The bone I've got to pick with James Milner is that since he's been at Man City, he really hasn't impressed me at all. All he looks like he can do on the international stage is cross and nowt else to me - he's like the anti-Walcott or something.

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Originally Posted by Stu

I'm so glad Jack Wilshere is English. I know he's been hyped to high heaven this year, but it's justified in my opinion. Ashley Young looked sh*t hot too, but then I suppose anyone could against a Welsh team that has 3 players of genuine quality.

Wilshere's been terrific this season, and so's Ash Young. And then there's Jordan Henderson at Sunderland, Chris Smalling's looked more convincing than Rio to me for Man U, Gary Cahill's been doing so well for Bolton, Vic Moses at the mighty Wigan looks like he'll develop into one hell of a winger - there are some good young players coming through the England ranks. I just really hope Capello uses them well and doesn't keep going for the old guard in future. To be honest I don't really care about England winning Euro 2012, I just want them to build a good squad full of fresh faces in time for Brazil 2014. And looking at the players at England's disposal now, I've got high hopes...kinda...

Mojo · 03-27-2011, 09:01 AM

Jordan Henderson was the player I wanted to keep a hold of more than anybody. I would have sooner seen Bruce sell Bent, Gordon, Gyan or anyone for that matter. He's not quite looked up to scratch however over the last two or three months. He is still hopefully going to be a quality player though. Capello played him in defensive midfield for his England debut, which is somewhere he hadn't played before. He had a very quiet game but from his time in the Premiership up to now I can say that he really doesn't look as though he is going to be a defensive midfielder.

James Milner has indeed had an unsuccessful run at Man City, and has looked out of form. He looked very impressive at Villa and I was happy to see him in the England team, I had been waiting for Capello to call him up. I guess it'll be interesting to see if he can find his form again.

Also what about Leighton Baines? I'm wondering if Capello will begin to start him at left back? He's having a much better season than Cole is. Maybe even start Baines at left back and Cole at left midfield? It's not like we have a particularly impressive one. I mean, Young can play there but he seems much better when he's allowed to play in the hole behind the striker(s).

EvilChuck · 03-27-2011, 09:19 AM

Wasnt Cole tried as a left winger before and was a total failure?

I think its better with someone like him that you continue to allow him to overlap, and perhaps have a player from the left wing who will cut inside more onto their right foot, which theoretically drags the opposition fullback inside more giving your own overlapping fullback (Cole in this case) more room to operate.

The only problem with that is that John Terry plays as the left sided centre back, so when Cole goes forward it leaves Terry covering the entire left side of the defence. Terry is not the defender he was a few years ago (although I have never rated him as highly as some others, I think he's always been the beneficiary of partners that made him look better - Desailly and Carvalho for Chelsea, Ferdinand at international level). His pace isnt there at all, which would mean with Cole going forward, and Terry covering that side, the England team is susceptible to pacy counter attacks down that side.

Mojo · 03-27-2011, 09:31 AM

I have no idea whether Cole has been tried there before to be honest, but it would make sense if he had. I dunno, I feel that we don't really have much of a threat on the left. When was the last time we had an out and out left winger there, who was of a world class standard? Only Joe Cole comes to mind from recent years when he was at his best and still, whether or not you could call him a true left winger is arguable.

I think with both Cole and Baines down that side, we could be a much bigger threat. Both Cole and Baines like to get forward and overlap and both can get back and defend well. I think they could link up well if they were both started. Baines is also useful to have around in dead ball situations.

03-26-2011, 04:10 PM	#3315 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	I'm so glad Jack Wilshere is English. I know he's been hyped to high heaven this year, but it's justified in my opinion. Ashley Young looked sht hot too, but then I suppose anyone could against a Welsh team that has 3 players of genuine quality. __________________ LastFM* Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

03-26-2011, 04:23 PM	#3316 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	Yeah, it was never likely to be a test but it was a neat, tidy performance. I know James Milner hasn't been on the best of form lately but when he is in form, I'll all for him starting in our midfield. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

03-27-2011, 09:01 AM	#3318 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	Jordan Henderson was the player I wanted to keep a hold of more than anybody. I would have sooner seen Bruce sell Bent, Gordon, Gyan or anyone for that matter. He's not quite looked up to scratch however over the last two or three months. He is still hopefully going to be a quality player though. Capello played him in defensive midfield for his England debut, which is somewhere he hadn't played before. He had a very quiet game but from his time in the Premiership up to now I can say that he really doesn't look as though he is going to be a defensive midfielder. James Milner has indeed had an unsuccessful run at Man City, and has looked out of form. He looked very impressive at Villa and I was happy to see him in the England team, I had been waiting for Capello to call him up. I guess it'll be interesting to see if he can find his form again. Also what about Leighton Baines? I'm wondering if Capello will begin to start him at left back? He's having a much better season than Cole is. Maybe even start Baines at left back and Cole at left midfield? It's not like we have a particularly impressive one. I mean, Young can play there but he seems much better when he's allowed to play in the hole behind the striker(s). __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

03-27-2011, 09:31 AM	#3320 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	I have no idea whether Cole has been tried there before to be honest, but it would make sense if he had. I dunno, I feel that we don't really have much of a threat on the left. When was the last time we had an out and out left winger there, who was of a world class standard? Only Joe Cole comes to mind from recent years when he was at his best and still, whether or not you could call him a true left winger is arguable. I think with both Cole and Baines down that side, we could be a much bigger threat. Both Cole and Baines like to get forward and overlap and both can get back and defend well. I think they could link up well if they were both started. Baines is also useful to have around in dead ball situations. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

03-21-2011, 07:19 PM	#3312 (permalink)
EvilChuck #based Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: (Near) London, England Posts: 443	Not really football performance related, but has anyone heard Asamoah Gyan's music? He's a featured artist on a couple of Ghanaian singer Castro D'Destroyer's songs, they're quite good in all honesty. He performs under the name 'Baby Jet'.

03-26-2011, 03:36 PM	#3313 (permalink)
Bulldog why bother? Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 4,840	BBC Sport - Football - Wales 0-2 England Can't complain about the result or performance there - we totally outclassed them and got what we deserved. My confidence in Capello won't be anywhere near restored until he stops calling up wastes of space like James fucking Milner though. That man's flaws as a manager were well and truly exposed for me after that draw with Montenegro.

03-26-2011, 03:55 PM	#3314 (permalink)
EvilChuck #based Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: (Near) London, England Posts: 443	Wales were absolute gash in the first half. I know they were trying to keep possession, but they literally just passed it along the back line, with no effort to move forward at all, which just meant that England could push up and squeeze them deeper and deeper until they made a mistake (which they did several times). Second half I thought England stopped pressurizing as much, the game was done and they were just looking to get through without any mishaps, and it allowed Wales more time on the ball to go forward which gave the impression that they were coming back into it. In reality, Wales were never going to score.

03-27-2011, 09:19 AM	#3319 (permalink)
EvilChuck #based Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: (Near) London, England Posts: 443	Wasnt Cole tried as a left winger before and was a total failure? I think its better with someone like him that you continue to allow him to overlap, and perhaps have a player from the left wing who will cut inside more onto their right foot, which theoretically drags the opposition fullback inside more giving your own overlapping fullback (Cole in this case) more room to operate. The only problem with that is that John Terry plays as the left sided centre back, so when Cole goes forward it leaves Terry covering the entire left side of the defence. Terry is not the defender he was a few years ago (although I have never rated him as highly as some others, I think he's always been the beneficiary of partners that made him look better - Desailly and Carvalho for Chelsea, Ferdinand at international level). His pace isnt there at all, which would mean with Cole going forward, and Terry covering that side, the England team is susceptible to pacy counter attacks down that side.