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Old 05-10-2018, 05:29 PM   #7001 (permalink)
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Phil Lynott as well Trolls
Nah, bollox. Phil moved here when he was eight. He was an Irishman, through and through. Try again, Brit!
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Mad ting.

Maybe people know of it because of the saying, being sent to Coventry.

And Coventry City FC. Their FA Cup win really put their city on the map more than The Specials did.
And the raid on Coventry, during WWII. Don't forget that. Important one, showed how Churchill was ready to sacrifice a whole city for national security. The needs of the many and so on.
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Old 05-10-2018, 06:30 PM   #7002 (permalink)
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Nah, bollox. Phil moved here when he was eight. He was an Irishman, through and through. Try again, Brit!
The first eight years of life are pretty formative tbh.
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Old 05-10-2018, 07:32 PM   #7003 (permalink)
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The first eight years of life are pretty formative tbh.
Yeah agreed, but he did all his work here. Gigged, wrote, formed bands, toured, drank, ****ed, got high, wrote songs about Ireland ... he was an Irish lad. RIP Phil.
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Old 05-10-2018, 07:34 PM   #7004 (permalink)
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Yeah agreed, but he did all his work here. Gigged, wrote, formed bands, toured, drank, ****ed, got high, wrote songs about Ireland ... he was an Irish lad. RIP Phil.
Unless of course he always thought of himself as English but just didn't say anything about it.
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Old 05-10-2018, 07:49 PM   #7005 (permalink)
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I recently read about someone who bought Yes's Fragile used for a dollar and opened it up to find that the disc was Genesis's We Can't Dance
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I thought that "this is must be what all metal sounds like to elphenor" was pretty cutting. I'd follow up but I really really don't want to listen to them again after trying so many times to give that album a fair shot.
That particular album goes in hard on the mellotrons and awkward/odd vocal lines though. I doubt I'm going to convince you to check out another album, but any other album of theirs is going to offer something else than The Guessing Game did.

Always the same singer though...
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Unless of course he always thought of himself as English but just didn't say anything about it.
He saw himself as Irish. I just mentioned him as he was born here. Depends how you view things I think.

If he was a footballer he could play for England and then nobody would say he wasn't English. The Irish team has had loads of players born in England and lived in England their whole lives. There is a joke about Ireland being the England B team. I don't think the Irish would like it if you said half their team was English though. If they're eligible then they're eligible.

I think birth and formative years are important. Maybe descent as well in some cases but I think that one is very questionable.

Suppose if the circumstances allow it we should just let people choose.
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Unless of course he always thought of himself as English but just didn't say anything about it.
Nah he was Irish through and through. Ireland was his adopted home. I remember when he married Leslie Crowther's daughter the not-so-proud father quipped: "Just my luck! She has to marry someone not just Irish but black too!"
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He saw himself as Irish. I just mentioned him as he was born here. Depends how you view things I think.

If he was a footballer he could play for England and then nobody would say he wasn't English. The Irish team has had loads of players born in England and lived in England their whole lives. There is a joke about Ireland being the England B team. I don't think the Irish would like it if you said half their team was English though. If they're eligible then they're eligible.

I think birth and formative years are important. Maybe descent as well in some cases but I think that one is very questionable.

Suppose if the circumstances allow it we should just let people choose.
Considered one of the most famous and successful Irishmen, spoke with a thick Dublin brogue, a real son of Ireland. We even have a statue of him in Grafton Street. My aunt used to actually see him, sweeping down the road, she said, his greatcoat flapping open like wings, a real icon (probably one of the only black men in Ireland at that time) and she said he was always charming, saying "howya" and grinning.


As to team selection, yeah it's odd: you'll have someone picked for Ireland because his grandmother twice removed was Irish or something, or he could play for Canada because his aunt was Canadian, even though he's lived and played all his life in England. Most guys though, understandably, want to play for the country that has the best chance of success. Spoiler: that's not Ireland!
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Yeah Lynott was was definitely Irish, had an Irish parent as well so raised there and ancestry there.

It is odd though it's just parents or grandparents. Country of birth + whatever country your parents or grandparents were born in. Plus eligibility in cases of naturalisation e.g. Raheem Sterling or Diego Costa. I'd be eligible for four national teams under these current rules.

The rules are quite strict compared to other sports though. Eoin Morgan is a born and bred Dubliner with no connection to England but is the England cricket captain. They must allow anyone to play for them.
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