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I view casually 2 28.57%
If it's the only thing on I'd consider it 0 0%
No, I wouldn't 5 71.43%
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The entertainment was the new thing. If you don't like it fine, but it's still them trying something new. Kudos to Vince for trying.
It wasn't as entertaining as the action of legitimate football being played, and also I think you're giving him way too much credit for what he supposedly gave to the presentation aspect of football. Most of what he did for the XFL and even the WWE/F has always been based off how the NFL is presented. He introduced some minor things like the sideline camera angle and probably the helmet cam or something, but that's really the extent of it. The XFL was poorly executed and boring, and that's why it lasted for about two seasons.

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I don't understand. Do you think that Indie and Japanese wrestling is real? They're not. Nakamura was brought in because he's a popular and proven draw in Japan. The indie guys got brought in to see if they can make money with them. Lesnar, the only person with legitimacy, was in the company before his UFC run.
The WWE presents Nakamura and the indie wrestlers as if they're changing the culture of the company to be less of a "work", especially with Nakamura and that strong style BS. There's no way that's not because they want to re-legitimize the product in my opinion at least, and what's so hilarious is that it actually looks worse than it ever has before.
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Old 01-26-2018, 12:12 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The WWE presents Nakamura and the indie wrestlers as if they're changing the culture of the company to be less of a "work", especially with Nakamura and that strong style BS. There's no way that's not because they want to re-legitimize the product in my opinion at least, and what's so hilarious is that it actually looks worse than it ever has before.
The stuff on TV? The stuff that's always meant to be presented as real like any TV show that doesn't break the fourth wall? Guess what? They input back stage politics into storylines all the. 50% of what The Miz talks about in his promos is a worked shoot. The entire recent Reigns vs Cena story played off of the backstage politics.

You see WWE bringing in a guy who does a backflip and you think that means they're trying to legitimize it. It can't be that they're trying to stay with what makes money, no its about legitimacy.

Vince killed legitimacy to save money on taxes. Now he's going in a direction where he thinks there's money.
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Old 01-26-2018, 12:30 AM   #13 (permalink)
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The stuff on TV? The stuff that's always meant to be presented as real like any TV show that doesn't break the fourth wall? Guess what? They input back stage politics into storylines all the. 50% of what The Miz talks about in his promos is a worked shoot. The entire recent Reigns vs Cena story played off of the backstage politics.

You see WWE bringing in a guy who does a backflip and you think that means they're trying to legitimize it. It can't be that they're trying to stay with what makes money, no its about legitimacy.

Vince killed legitimacy to save money on taxes. Now he's going in a direction where he thinks there's money.
Lol, The Little Women Of Atlanta and Jerry Springer Show feature real life politics too, I understand what that's about but you're just strengthening my point that Vince does what he can to keep the show looking as legitimate as possible even though it so clearly isn't. I think we basically agree and understand that it looks fake, and that it is fake, and it seems like you even understand that he's trying to make it look legit. Don't understand why you're arguing if that's the case.
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Lol, The Little Women Of Atlanta and Jerry Springer Show feature real life politics too, I understand what that's about but you're just strengthening my point that Vince does what he can to keep the show looking as legitimate as possible even though it so clearly isn't. I think we basically agree and understand that it looks fake, and that it is fake, and it seems like you even understand that he's trying to make it look legit. Don't understand why you're arguing if that's the case.
Cause I don't think he's trying to make it look legitimate. I think he's doing whatever he can to make a buck. Vince killed any chance at legitimacy wrestling had way back when to save money on taxes. My point is that he doesn't care about legitimacy and is doing everything he can to make a buck.

Strong Style is something that was developed in Japan by Antonio Inoki. Inoki was both an MMA fighters and a wrestler. He believed that wrestling should be as legitimate looking as possible. He believed this so strongly that he almost ran his own wrestling company into the ground (My journal entry that talks a bit about this). Inoki's old company has recently started to make a comeback pushing the same type of wrestling that's becoming more in line with that style. Vince is merely responding.

If you want to say he's imitating the company that wants to be legitimate, I can agree. But i don't think for a moment any one in WWE is concerning themselves with legitimacy.
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You obviously just want to argue, so I'm just gonna end my part by saying that making money in the wrestling business has always been about credibility, and that's probably why when Vince put all of those resources into competing with and beating WCW and ECW, who each had more realistic and believable products at the time, the company and the business saw it's biggest growth. Right now, Vince is losing out on some of those viewers because the UFC and NJPW/ROH offer something with more credibility and legitimacy, whether you want to admit that or not. He's absolutely 100% interested in that.
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You obviously just want to argue, so I'm just gonna end my part by saying that making money in the wrestling business has always been about credibility
damn that's one hell of a naive opinion there my dude. you're applying a blanket statement that rang true to wrestling during the NWA territory era and very early WWF years and trying to apply it to the current product. things evolve with time.

also as a side note the XFL has no ties with the WWE this time around. Vince actually sold stocks in WWE to be able to fund this venture by himself.

it will still suck though.
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damn that's one hell of a naive opinion there my dude. you're applying a blanket statement that rang true to wrestling during the NWA territory era and very early WWF years and trying to apply it to the current product. things evolve with time.

also as a side note the XFL has no ties with the WWE this time around. Vince actually sold stocks in WWE to be able to fund this venture by himself.

it will still suck though.
I'm going to watch the first game mostly cause of my extreme wrestling fandom. I'm not too hopeful though.
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All I remember about the XFL is that they made this huge deal about how there would be no "fair catch", which is, like, completely uninteresting.
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if they combined wwe product with football and gave us a irl blitz the league i would be a fan
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Old 01-26-2018, 11:55 AM   #20 (permalink)
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damn that's one hell of a naive opinion there my dude. you're applying a blanket statement that rang true to wrestling during the NWA territory era and very early WWF years and trying to apply it to the current product. things evolve with time.
It's naive to notice that ratings, attendance and even recently subscription rates have gone down as other products with more distinct realism have become bigger? Lol. Okay, bud.

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also as a side note the XFL has no ties with the WWE this time around. Vince actually sold stocks in WWE to be able to fund this venture by himself.
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it will still suck though.
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