Vince McMahon Restarting the XFL
 

Vince McMahon -- Gimmick-free XFL to return in 2020

I'd heard rumors about this but it's still a shock.

He looks like a Matrix agent two days from retirement before Neo jumps in his guts.

What happens on XFL?

Never heard of it.

It's Vince McMahon's new Football league. It literally isn't set to start 'til 2020. He's done this before back in 2000. Also called the XFL. Majorly flopped.

Unfortunately, I had the displeasure of having watched a couple of XFL shows. It was absolute dog ****, and what's hilarious is that they didn't even hide that it was the exact same thing as the WWF, but with football players playing football instead of wrestlers wrestling. Basically, they even had The Rock and Undertaker try to give it a big push because of course they did. Also, there were probably like 2 real football players who had any business playing professionally. Now that the WWE is pretending that their product is legitimate (it isn't), they're going to try and make the XFL look legit (it won't be).

We already have the Arena Football League and the Indoor Football League in the U.S.

The WWE's modus operandi has been to buy up the competition. They may as well buy one of those leagues and re-brand it.

I'm convinced that Vince has lost it.

He was trying to do in football something similar to what he did in WWE. He was also using his established stars to get eyes on it. Not to mention XFL actually used several camera techniques that NFL would much later on install in their system. Frankly XFL doesn't get enough credit. It's only crime was trying to do something different to stand out.

Yeah. They don't try and pretend it's legit now. Everyone knows it's not and no one cares. :rolleyes:

It's crime was being incredibly boring and offering very little of anything new that wasn't entertainment related.

Damn, here I was thinking that they added all of these indie and japanese wrestlers (and their "strong style") to try and restore some credibility to the WWE. How silly of me. :rolleyes: :laughing:

The entertainment was the new thing. If you don't like it fine, but it's still them trying something new. Kudos to Vince for trying.

I don't understand. Do you think that Indie and Japanese wrestling is real? They're not. Nakamura was brought in because he's a popular and proven draw in Japan. The indie guys got brought in to see if they can make money with them. Lesnar, the only person with legitimacy, was in the company before his UFC run.

It wasn't as entertaining as the action of legitimate football being played, and also I think you're giving him way too much credit for what he supposedly gave to the presentation aspect of football. Most of what he did for the XFL and even the WWE/F has always been based off how the NFL is presented. He introduced some minor things like the sideline camera angle and probably the helmet cam or something, but that's really the extent of it. The XFL was poorly executed and boring, and that's why it lasted for about two seasons.

The WWE presents Nakamura and the indie wrestlers as if they're changing the culture of the company to be less of a "work", especially with Nakamura and that strong style BS. There's no way that's not because they want to re-legitimize the product in my opinion at least, and what's so hilarious is that it actually looks worse than it ever has before.

The stuff on TV? The stuff that's always meant to be presented as real like any TV show that doesn't break the fourth wall? Guess what? They input back stage politics into storylines all the. 50% of what The Miz talks about in his promos is a worked shoot. The entire recent Reigns vs Cena story played off of the backstage politics.

You see WWE bringing in a guy who does a backflip and you think that means they're trying to legitimize it. It can't be that they're trying to stay with what makes money, no its about legitimacy.

Vince killed legitimacy to save money on taxes. Now he's going in a direction where he thinks there's money.

Lol, The Little Women Of Atlanta and Jerry Springer Show feature real life politics too, I understand what that's about but you're just strengthening my point that Vince does what he can to keep the show looking as legitimate as possible even though it so clearly isn't. I think we basically agree and understand that it looks fake, and that it is fake, and it seems like you even understand that he's trying to make it look legit. Don't understand why you're arguing if that's the case.

Cause I don't think he's trying to make it look legitimate. I think he's doing whatever he can to make a buck. Vince killed any chance at legitimacy wrestling had way back when to save money on taxes. My point is that he doesn't care about legitimacy and is doing everything he can to make a buck.

Strong Style is something that was developed in Japan by Antonio Inoki. Inoki was both an MMA fighters and a wrestler. He believed that wrestling should be as legitimate looking as possible. He believed this so strongly that he almost ran his own wrestling company into the ground (My journal entry that talks a bit about this). Inoki's old company has recently started to make a comeback pushing the same type of wrestling that's becoming more in line with that style. Vince is merely responding.

If you want to say he's imitating the company that wants to be legitimate, I can agree. But i don't think for a moment any one in WWE is concerning themselves with legitimacy.

You obviously just want to argue, so I'm just gonna end my part by saying that making money in the wrestling business has always been about credibility, and that's probably why when Vince put all of those resources into competing with and beating WCW and ECW, who each had more realistic and believable products at the time, the company and the business saw it's biggest growth. Right now, Vince is losing out on some of those viewers because the UFC and NJPW/ROH offer something with more credibility and legitimacy, whether you want to admit that or not. He's absolutely 100% interested in that.

damn that's one hell of a naive opinion there my dude. you're applying a blanket statement that rang true to wrestling during the NWA territory era and very early WWF years and trying to apply it to the current product. things evolve with time.

also as a side note the XFL has no ties with the WWE this time around. Vince actually sold stocks in WWE to be able to fund this venture by himself.

it will still suck though.

I'm going to watch the first game mostly cause of my extreme wrestling fandom. I'm not too hopeful though.

All I remember about the XFL is that they made this huge deal about how there would be no "fair catch", which is, like, completely uninteresting.

if they combined wwe product with football and gave us a irl blitz the league i would be a fan

It's naive to notice that ratings, attendance and even recently subscription rates have gone down as other products with more distinct realism have become bigger? Lol. Okay, bud.

And you call my argument naive. :laughing:

Agreed.

i want the next argument in this topic to be about which la parka is the real la parka

wait what are you talking about

it factually has no ties to wwe and is funded by Vince

that isn’t an opinion, it’s a fact.

also comparing the WWE’s numbers to the UFC/any MMA organization is the most non-sensical point you couldve made considering one is a performance art and the other is one of the most physically intense methods of combat around.

wrestling is a spectacle. sure, maybe during the days of Hogan and Andre thr Giant people wanted real. but now it’s known and accepted that these are trained professionals out there to put on a show.

this is where frownland would say something about seperating your personal opinions from facts etc etc

the answer is l.a. park btw

i wish i could erase the la parka tna run from my mind

So it's funded by Vince but has no ties to the WWE.
Oh boy.

So people don't want something that's realistic, or that they can sort of believe in because it's not 1982 anymore? Lol.

which la parka are you voting for, maajo

La Parka is still around? I remember watching that guy on Nitro back in 1997.

thanks for picking l.a. park

I had no idea there was even another La Parka. Shows how much I watch wrestling now.

you understand that the WWE is a company right?

the original XFL was owned by the company. the new company is owned by Vince McMahon and saw him buy the rights to certain trademarks from the WWE themselves and saw him selling shares of the WWE in order to fund the XFL himself

i dunno how i can make it any more clear to you regarding these two points but if you’re gonna keep sticking your tongue out and plugging your ears go for it.

people don’t watch wrestling for realism because its 2018 and the internet has been around long enough that any mystique surrounding the spectacle that was the WWF has long died off.

So Vince owning both companies isn't a tie to each company? You've gotta be ****ting me, man! Lmfao!

I don't know what they're watching for right now either, because I don't see how it's realistic (mainly because of the poor booking), but if it's just a big joke and there's no credibility, what are you guys watching? Big sweaty men in tights hugging each other? You guys have to be buying into something in order to watch it consistently. That's how it works.

trying to figure out what it is you dont understand here.

let me try to dumb it down as much as i can. the WWE is a public owned company in which the McMahon family own approximately 70% of the shares. the wwe owns multiple other business ventures under their brand i.e the WWE Network, a film production company, and formerly the XFL.

the newest incarnation of the XFL is owned by Vince McMahon. it is NOT under the WWE umbrella. this means that while yes, the XFL is owned by a man who owns shares in the WWE, it is a seperate entity that runs as it's own company.



there's more options than

1. hyper realistic traditional wrestling
2. big joke with no credibility

the new age of WWE sees the company look to embrace the internet age by giving the fans a different view of the product. lets take for example the massive amount of content filmed outside of the ring that they give on the WWE network. shows that feature wrestlers riding together, wrestling in training facilities, and even off-screen relationships.

just because you personally might need something to be realistic in order to enjoy it does not mean that everyone else has the same problem.

Lol "let me dumb it down" - proceeds to post a bunch of meaningless **** that I don't even want to skim through.

If you can't concede the fact that nothing can survive without the appearance of legitimacy, then I'm basically arguing with saw dust.

an apt analogy for the logic you're currently using

this is chula levels of ignorance here. you're continuously saying "no" based on your personal tastes. just because you might value realism so much that you can't enjoy something that doesn't take itself 100% serious does not mean everyone else feels the same. if that was the case WWE would've folded a long, long time ago.

but please, continue making arguments based around "lol" and "lmfao" rather than actually understanding that i'm trying to tell you that your personal opinions do not represent those of everyone else.

Pro wrestling is serious business apparently.

yeah i feel like a sweaty fat kid for arguing over wrestling but i finally understand why frownland feels the need to argue with chula and his personal anecdotes all the time.

:laughing: Who said anything about wrestling needing to be taking itself seriously? It's funny because WWE's main issue is that they do take themselves way too seriously now. They have the deal with ESPN where they put WWE highlights on SportsCenter, which is absolutely hilarious because it's not even a sport, but no, they're not trying to make themselves look legitimate with that.

?

because if WWE weren't taking themselves seriously they would stop promoting and marketing their product to a new audience?

Yes. Because the stuff they do in the indies is super realistic and legitimate looking. PWG is super realistic. The dick spot that Joey Ryan does all the time, totally realistic.

Ladies and gentlemen, Chula 2....

Now you know how I feel all the time. Lol.

A deal with ESPN? Oh my, they must be taking themselves seriously. They couldn't possibly be using it as an opportunity to advertise.

I was just curious if anybody actually gave a shit about XFL.