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nay_creative 10-30-2013 04:00 PM

What is so special about Vinyls anyway? ;)
 
Hello, my name is Nay.

I'm a 3rd year Graphic Design student working on a project.
We were asked to create a project that becomes a homage to something that is unappreciated or forgotten about and I picked Vinyls.

I don't know why, but I love them. There is just something so pure about the sound and so spiritual about the ritual of playing and storing them.

I need to generate some interest from people that feel the same way?
If youre a collector, or you find yourself thumbing through records in a record store week in week out, please get in touch and tell me why you are so in love with the format.
I need some tear-jerking testimonials from people that are fanatical about vinyls.

My end result will hopefully be a photo book which will be accompanied by your beautiful words.
I want this book to really celebrate the ritual of playing vinyls and the love that people still have for them.
I wish I was born in the era when vinyl was king, I really do.

I hope to hear back from people.

Nay

GuD 10-30-2013 06:51 PM

With equal quality amplification systems I'd be hard pressed to believe anyone could genuinely tell the difference in a blind challenge test. I think that's where the difference lies- most of the time CDs are played through desktops or crummy car 4" speakers that don't do the audio quality any justice. I've heard people say things like "ohhhh CDs compress the signal" or "ohhhhhh CDs chop up the signal and distort it" but without the highest fidelity equipment I just don't think it's really noticeable.

Dr_Rez 10-30-2013 07:05 PM

blahblahblah the only difference whe comparing QUALITY digital to QUALITY vinyl is the warmer scratching noise from the vinyl. That however can be created by digital, or even directly ripped in a hi fi fashion straight from vinyl.

Mr. Charlie 10-30-2013 07:46 PM

I don't have a record player but my friend does and it sounds lovely and better than CD players of similar quality. I know it's been said a thousand times but there is an audible warmth to vinyl, a certain naturalness even; it's not that CDs sound compressed in comparison, it's that CDs sound colder and harder.

I believe most people, on hearing a CD played through a high end system and the same album on vinyl played through a high end system, would notice the difference.

I also love the size of records which afford the luxury of really appreciating the artwork which, sadly, seems nowt but an afterthought in this age of CD and MP3s.

If vinyls weren't so bloody expensive and if everything was still released on vinyl, I'd definitely replace my CD player with a record player.

Dr_Rez 10-30-2013 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie (Post 1379024)
it's that CDs sound colder and harder.


Sorry but no way...You just are not hearing the hiss and pop of the needle...Forget regular cd quality anyhow, use a high quality lossless digital file instead.

Mr. Charlie 10-30-2013 08:10 PM

I say way. Good ears and a good system will reveal the differences between the two formats.

Dr_Rez 10-30-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie (Post 1379042)
I say way. Good ears and a good system will reveal the differences between the two formats.

My point is this difference isnt in the audio quality of what the musics recorded on, it is in the player. I could agree that a super high end record player MIGHT sound better than a super high end digital setup but I doubt 99/100 audiophiles could really tell the difference every time.

Mr. Charlie 10-30-2013 08:36 PM

In a very revealing system switching between two speaker cables built from similar materials can sound very different. So something as drastic as changing the source player will sound profoundly different.

Can most people tell whether a DJ is playing a record or a CD on the radio? I don't think so. I know I can't. But it's amazing how sensitive high fidelity equipment is. Even changing power cables will change the sound.

GuD 10-30-2013 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rezdaddy Longlegs (Post 1379001)
blahblahblah the only difference whe comparing QUALITY digital to QUALITY vinyl is the warmer scratching noise from the vinyl. That however can be created by digital, or even directly ripped in a hi fi fashion straight from vinyl.


I hate that noise. All these dorks saying it adds "SOUL" or some **** to the recording piss me off to no end. Oh boy! I get to hear the song AND some random noises!?!!?! It's like TWO CDs in ONE!

I'll take an allegedly cold sounding CD with just the audio I paid for over that any day. **** off if you think otherwise.

Mantis 10-30-2013 11:09 PM

I would think vinyl would only have the edge for purely analog recordings

Which a pretty large majority of recordings are not

I'm not really knowledgeable on this though

Scarlett O'Hara 10-30-2013 11:52 PM

Great place to put this thread. Now I'm going to make you all have a post count.

ladyislingering 10-31-2013 12:01 AM

I really hate when people call records "vinyls" but I'm not gonna nitpick, because I like people who collect, love, and play them.

I prefer vinyl because I enjoy the whole package. I like being able to touch and handle my music, with large, detailed sleeves and the charming smell of decades passed. From the physical feel of the record, to the smell, to the warm sound of a needle in the grooves, the entire experience just really turns me on.

Dr_Rez 10-31-2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering (Post 1379219)
I really hate when people call records "vinyls" but I'm not gonna nitpick, because I like people who collect, love, and play them.

I prefer vinyl because I enjoy the whole package. I like being able to touch and handle my music, with large, detailed sleeves and the charming smell of decades passed. From the physical feel of the record, to the smell, to the warm sound of a needle in the grooves, the entire experience just really turns me on.

u wut m8?

ladyislingering 10-31-2013 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rezdaddy Longlegs (Post 1379334)
u wut m8?

Think about it. Before we had CDs or digital media, nobody called them "vinyls" because there wasn't a difference in disc formats. It just irritates me because people of my chosen era never would have said that (and it just sounds really dumb).

Mr. Charlie 10-31-2013 06:11 PM

War irritates me.

Dr_Rez 11-01-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering (Post 1379494)
Think about it. Before we had CDs or digital media, nobody called them "vinyls" because there wasn't a difference in disc formats. It just irritates me because people of my chosen era never would have said that (and it just sounds really dumb).

But the term record could be used to describe a tape or cd or online album. When you say vinyl it is clear what you are talking about. People didnt say it then because their was no other alternative to mix it up with.

Key 11-01-2013 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rezdaddy Longlegs (Post 1379650)
But the term record could be used to describe a tape or cd or online album. When you say vinyl it is clear what you are talking about. People didnt say it then because their was no other alternative to mix it up with.

As much as I agree, I think the real issue is using the plural form of vinyl. Saying "vinyls" doesn't make much sense considering vinyl is the proper form be it singular or plural. Saying vinyls is like saying deers.

ladyislingering 11-01-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1379656)
As much as I agree, I think the real issue is using the plural form of vinyl. Saying "vinyls" doesn't make much sense considering vinyl is the proper form be it singular or plural. Saying vinyls is like saying deers.

I knew there was another thing I was forgetting.

Unless English is a person's second language, they need to learn their singular/plural words and how to use them. Otherwise it just makes me want to kick them in their stupid face.

Dude111 10-10-2016 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nay_creative
I don't know why, but I love them. There is just something so pure about the sound and so spiritual about the ritual of playing and storing them.

Indeed. When it is 100% ANALOG on the record,IT IS GORGEOUS!!!!!

I love records,8 tracks,cassettes and VHS .. Anything ANALOG really :)

Lonesome Hobo 10-11-2016 05:01 AM

I'll gladly keep buying and listening to all my music on CD.

Dunial 12-14-2017 02:01 AM

I love that sound. I gotta fight with them and i love that part, it's always a challenge

Akai 12-14-2017 09:57 AM

The difference can be a lot depending on what you listen to vinyl though.

I personally run my turntable through a 400 watt Peavey PA and the difference in compression of sound & element is huge.

Especially if you were to compare analogue to digital but that's a whole other story.

Exo 12-14-2017 10:30 AM

"Vinyls"

heker 12-24-2017 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1379656)
Saying vinyls is like saying deers.

Deers are pretty dumb. Youtube is full of videos of deers with locked horns.

Sometimes one is dead, or partially aten by wolves.

http://www.outdooroddities.com/wp-co...o_horn_003.jpg

BloodFoxTK 12-24-2017 11:30 AM

personally, i have multiple albums on vinyl and i absolutely love them.

(photo of said vinyl to come at later date)

OccultHawk 12-25-2017 12:51 PM


Guybrush 08-15-2018 06:06 AM

I like vinyl records as a physical medium because of the large covers and childhood nostalgia. Do I bother listening to vinyl records? Not really, too much of a hassle.

Mastering guidelines are different for vinyl records, CDs or digital distribution. I haven't yet mastered anything for vinyl, but as far as I can remember, you may have to tame bass some (because it takes up more physical groove-space on the record) and you should use limiters lightly / sparingly or not at all.

This means that if you have a CD or digital version of a song and compare it to the vinyl version, you're by far most likely listening to two different masters. The CD / digital release is likely to be louder and more compressed. This doesn't have to be the case, but generally music on those formats is compressed/limited more.

Sound quality wise, the comparison wouldn't be that valid. I mean, you'd actually be comparing different masters. If someone put a vinyl master on a CD or digital release and played all formats through the same sound system, you might not hear much of a difference between the mediums besides the added noise of the stylus scratching the LP's surface.

Exo 08-15-2018 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1987342)
I haven't yet mastered anything for vinyl, but as far as I can remember, you may have to tame bass some

Not if you're Robert F*cking Ludwig. Dude is a legend.

Lisnaholic 08-15-2018 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering (Post 1379219)
I really hate when people call records "vinyls" but I'm not gonna nitpick, because I like people who collect, love, and play them.

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Originally Posted by Dr_Rez (Post 1379650)
But the term record could be used to describe a tape or cd or online album. When you say vinyl it is clear what you are talking about. People didnt say it then because their was no other alternative to mix it up with.

^ Back in the old days, 78s and 45s were described by their speeds. I presume that because "thirty-three and a third" was a bit of a mouthful, the next format to evolve was called a Long Player because it dramatically broke through the +/- ten-mins-per-disc barrier that had always applied previously. For something like ten years, a Long Player was always called an "lp," then, (and I blame this on musicians and journalists) the vague and slightly pretentious word "album" became cooler to use and the term "lp" was pretty much abandoned.

Of course "album" as applied to music is not format-specific. In a way that works well if you want to talk about a collection of songs that is published in various ways. What is a shame is that "album" has completely ousted the term "lp", which would be the perfect name to use in this thread and which would have avoided upsetting ladyislingering.

vinyl collector 12-11-2018 10:41 AM

Better sound quality - a CD cut the frequency at 22.05 kHz. Which means it's not possible to get better sound quality than 22 kHz.

Exo 12-11-2018 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2023620)
I get a different full experience from listening to the same album on vinyl, cassette, and digital

the only medium that doesn't make any sense anymore is CD

I like playing CDs in the shop sometimes because I don't have to get up and flip the record when I'm busy.

Frownland 12-11-2018 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2023623)
why wouldn't you just do that digitally

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2023621)
CDs

:bonkhead:

Exo 12-11-2018 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2023623)
why wouldn't you just do that digitally

then you wouldn't even necessarily have to get up to change the album

Because my Harman Kardon 930 receiver from 1972 doesn't do bluetooth, you nerd.

Exo 12-11-2018 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2023628)
nice I have an 81 Kenwood KR-850

I mean. I guess I could hook something up to it but for now it's just a CD player and a turntable.

Exo 12-11-2018 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2023631)
cassette player mannnn

I'm never looking back

depends on what you want to play though, the sound quality is objectively worse if anything, I'm not here to make an argument like that

We have some cassettes but they're garbage bands.

Dude111 12-14-2018 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Exo
Because my Harman Kardon 930 receiver from 1972...

Ahhhh EXO I bet it sounds goregous buddy :)

Cuthbert 12-15-2018 09:34 AM

I like the artwork and the way the turntables look and I also enjoy playing them.

That's about it.

BrooklynEars 05-03-2023 05:43 AM

I have been collecting records since I was a child and I am now in my mid 50’s. I am in and out of record stores on a weekly basis.Always looking for a good sounding lp. Which is not that ez? Because records do not always gives you the greatest sound Analog has it pluses and minuses. Yet when I walk into a store it brings me back in time when things were a bit less stressful. Yet the prices of LP’s are high , and the Compact disc are cheaper and at times sound just as good.If not better.Funny in the 80’s/90’s cd were pricy and the lp was cheap and that what I could afford .So I stuck with it

WeltZumerr12 05-18-2023 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie (Post 1379024)
I don't have a record player but my friend does and it sounds lovely and better than CD players of similar quality. I know it's been said a thousand which, sadly, seems nowt but an afterthought in this age of CD and MP3s.
times but there is an audible warmth to vinyl, a certain naturalness even; it's not that CDs sound compressed in comparison, it's that CDs sound colder and harder.

I believe most people, on hearing a CD played through a high end system and the same album on vinyl played through a high end system, would notice the difference.

I also love the size of records which afford the luxury of really appreciating the ]
If vinyls weren't so bloody expensive and if everything was still released on vinyl, I'd definitely replace my CD player with a record player.

Welcome to the forum! It's great to see another vinyl enthusiast here. I'm a huge fan of vinyl as well; there's something special about being able to really appreciate the artwork and sound quality of a record. The warmth and naturalness of vinyl is unparalleled and I think it's worth the extra cost. Have you had the chance to experience the difference between vinyl and CD quality?

WeltZumerr12 05-23-2023 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by WeltZumerr12 (Post 2232867)
Welcome to the forum! It's great to see another vinyl enthusiast here. I'm a huge fan of vinyl as well; there's something special about being able to really appreciate the artwork and sound quality of a record. The warmth and naturalness of vinyl is unparalleled and I think it's worth the extra cost. Have you had the chance to experience the difference between vinyl and CD quality?

:beer:


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