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View Poll Results: what instrument dou you play? -PLAY, NOT "WANT TO PLAY" - IN THIS CASE
Guitar 263 60.05%
Drums 123 28.08%
Bass 124 28.31%
Keyboard(it sucks...) 129 29.45%
Other 177 40.41%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 438. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-12-2010, 10:32 PM   #431 (permalink)
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hah, music is full of elitists... don't be surprised when one shows up
No one's surprised.
It just happens to be that none of us take the elitist BS that some people want to play here.
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Old 01-12-2010, 11:52 PM   #432 (permalink)
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Keep your elitism to yourself. Who cares if you beat the hell out of a drum set with some mates in a rock band or can play like Ginger? Music is supposed to be fun, and entertaining, whether you are the best or picking up the instrument for the first time.

Some of the best jazz artists (Who are supposed to be the most proficient and technical players about) could never read music. Does that make them bad players? no. Off the to of my head I think it was Blakely and Farmer, not too sure about it though.

Wow. My sincerest apologies, I think you just misjudged my post.

Never did I say that people who couldn't read music and know the fundamentals are bad players, I said I personally don't consider them musicians. Too many a time you find some dude who can play a simple two and four rock beat on a set or a few different chords on a guitar and they call themselves musicians. I don't find that true. Doesn't mean I'm gonig to condemn them for picking up the instrument and having a great time, though.

A percussionist, by the way, is somebody who is able to properly play avariey of percussion instruments, like keyboards, battery, and auxiliary. A drummer is a drummer, they can play a drum.

That wasn't elitism, just an opinion. Does that get my point across better?
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Old 01-12-2010, 11:55 PM   #433 (permalink)
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If he misjudged your post, so did the five people who replied to your post in the last two pages.
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Old 01-13-2010, 12:30 AM   #434 (permalink)
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I hate it when people just say they play "drums". Say percussion. If you jam along in a rock band on the set, you're barely a musician, in my opinion. Learn to read music and become a true percussionist, then you're getting somewhere. Set, mallets, marching percussion, cymbals, auxiliary, percussion has so many different faces.




Point being, I play it all.
That being said, it would be nice if drummers would be able to experience different styles other than rock, like jazz, world music, etc, it helps them to be more exposed to new musical experiences and makes them more of a musician then if they sit at the back of a rock band making drowning noise.....

But drummers are musicians, even if their music is somewhat easier than other instruments, although this isn't always the case.
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Old 01-13-2010, 07:10 AM   #435 (permalink)
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That being said, it would be nice if drummers would be able to experience different styles other than rock, like jazz, world music, etc, it helps them to be more exposed to new musical experiences and makes them more of a musician then if they sit at the back of a rock band making drowning noise.....

But drummers are musicians, even if their music is somewhat easier than other instruments, although this isn't always the case.
well it would also be nice if guitarists, bassists and any other instrumentalist would explore different styles too, in that case. still, not everyone has those outlets to learn jazz or world music and use what they know. some of the greatest musicians were strictly in their style and weren't that explorative, but they still made great with what they had.
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isn't this one of the main reasons for this entire site?

what's next? a thread made specifically to banter about music?
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Old 01-13-2010, 07:15 AM   #436 (permalink)
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Who cares about should learn? I got a flute, does that mean I aspire to be the next Ian Anderson? Or gain proficiency with every other woodwind out there? No, I would love to be able to play it with confidence and that's what I'm going for. I play every instrument up there (not exactly a big list) although skill levels vary. I like to play instruments because I think it's fun. When I was a teenager and picked up the drums for example, I had a blast with it and learned quickly.

I'd actually rather be able to play a lot of instruments than being a virtuoso with one. But that's because to reach that kind of level, you have to leave the fun behind more and more often and I just don't have the discipline.
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Old 01-13-2010, 07:23 AM   #437 (permalink)
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And why does Keyboard suck? Piano was definitely the hardest instrument for me personally to learn and become good at...

I'm with tore. Since when did playing music mean aspiring to conquer every single genre, style and technique out there? Learning instruments for me is about enjoyment and personal growth, not trying to be every single different virtuoso out there.

Anyway, I 'play' all instruments that are listed up there apart from drums. I could never, ever get into drums for some reason. I was dragged along to classical piano lessons when I was a child, I then started picking up a guitar when I was a teenager and now I'm venturing into bass - which is definitely my favourite instrument to play! I also 'play' my vocal chords but have no formal training, unless you count singing in the shower and in my car I'm not that great but I enjoy what I do and that is all that matters!
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Old 01-13-2010, 07:35 AM   #438 (permalink)
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Most of us by far don't work as musicians. I mean it's one thing if that's your bread and water, then you can perhaps start writing about what people in your situation should know. But then you're also in a minority here and should keep in mind that with a general post in this thread, you're addressing the majority.
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Old 01-13-2010, 11:53 PM   #439 (permalink)
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You sound like an elitest d-bag. If you think someone who just plays the drum-set isnt a musician your daft. Apparently you never got beyond playing a 4/4 beat to your power chording rock band.

According to you, if are an amazing saxophonist you suck because you cant play every other reed instrument. Its the same idea.
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Never did I say that people who couldn't read music and know the fundamentals are bad players, I said I personally don't consider them musicians. Too many a time you find some dude who can play a simple two and four rock beat on a set or a few different chords on a guitar and they call themselves musicians. I don't find that true. Doesn't mean I'm gonig to condemn them for picking up the instrument and having a great time, though.

A percussionist, by the way, is somebody who is able to properly play a variety of percussion instruments, like keyboards, battery, and auxiliary. A drummer is a drummer, they can play a drum.

That wasn't elitism, just an opinion. Does that get my point across better?
If I pulled some random dude from the street and had him bang on a drum and play alternating quarters on a hi hat and snare, do you call him a musician? Once again, you (along with half of the people that replied to me) jumped the shark and assumed I meant the worst. I don't call someone who can strum two or so notes on a guitar, or make a noise on a trumpet, or bang sticks on a drum set a musician. Was that really that hard to comprehend?

I have absolutely no problem with someone being fluent in one instrument and not the entire family, I'm down with that. I personally know a freshman in my percussion section that thinks he's the coolest kid ever and he can barely keep a steady set of eighths. But he's having fun, and since music is for everyone, then he's automatically in the musician category, right? My bad, I forgot that I'm not allowed to have an opinion about who I consider a musician.


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That's not true at all.
I play all percussion instruments except for the drumset, and I'm not sounding as pretentious as you are.
Everybody learns differently.
Of course it's preferred for musicians to be able to read, but you're telling me right now that every musician that can't read is hardly a musician?
Do you know how DIFFICULT it is to play a drumset?

I play mallets.
Four mallets, actually.
And drumset is too hard for me.

Do me a favour and remember that you're on a music forum.
With musicians of all sorts, probably better ones than you, and I bet you some of them can't read.
Really? Everyone with arms can play a drum, I guess they're all musicians. How did 'everyone learns differently' come into play? Again, you're jumping on the bandwagon and assuming things like it's in style (it seems to be around here). Where did I say that that every musician that can't read is hardly a musician? Please quote me, as I can't seem to dig through my lentghy ten post record or so and find the exact thing I said.

Again, had you given me the benefit of the doubt, you would've known I'm not confident about my music skill in the slightest, and I was talking about simple people who think they're studly because of the volume and speed they can play a drum, for example, without knowing how to read music or feel the beat, or even hold the stick, or even how adjust a music stand.

But all noobs are arrogant fools, aren't they?

Yes, I know how hard set is to play, which is why...

*GASP* (Is he really gonna say it?!)

I can't play anything complex on a drum set.

Hell, I can hardly play mallets, I have to write the notes in and practice a lot before I get the hang of it. Very pretentious to outright admit I haven't mastered two very important parts of percussion, isn't it?

Also, please tell me where I said I was the best ever in world history at playing drums. I don't remember that part of the conversation, either.


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I'm willing to restart this whole thing if we can all just back off what you thought I said. I honestly apologize if you misjudged it, but I assure you it wasn't meant to sound so arrogant as you might've assumed.
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Old 01-14-2010, 12:23 AM   #440 (permalink)
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Why does it say keyboard sucks???

I play all the above reasonably proficiently, but I am most comfortable on guitar and piano.
I also play accordion, organs, synths, ukulele, mandolin, banjo and I'm struggling along with flugel horn and trumpet but with only minimal success.
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