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Peppermint4life 02-02-2012 10:09 AM

New Guitar
 
Need help deciding on which to get.

Baldwin Burns Split Sound Jazz
In Store Vintage VINTAGE BALDWIN BURNS SPLIT SOUND JAZZ 440 091611 and more Semi-Hollow and Hollow Body Electric Guitars at GuitarCenter.com.

1965 Rickenbacker Electro 420 NC
In Store Vintage VINTAGE 1965 RICKENBACKER ELECTRO 420 NC and more Semi-Hollow and Hollow Body Electric Guitars at GuitarCenter.com.

Vox
In Store Vintage VINT 1960S VOX LH GTR RED and more Semi-Hollow and Hollow Body Electric Guitars at GuitarCenter.com.


I know the Vox is left handed but meh.

Garrett 02-02-2012 10:32 AM

I would go for the `65 Ric. Best of luck with your decision!

Odyshape 02-02-2012 10:59 AM

The links do not work.. Any way I think if you are looking for a vintage guitar it may be worth just taking the time to scout pawn shops and kijiji adsso you can try them out in person. There is a lot that can be wrong with old guitars.

GuitarBizarre 02-02-2012 02:45 PM

This seems like a thread where you don't know what you're doing.

First off, buying a left handed guitar isn't a "Meh", its the kind of thing that you should be taking deadly seriously. If your idea is to string it backwards, then that isn't simple, at all. Controls, intonation points, and the guitar's nut and bridge will all be backwards. Its very, VERY rare that such a configuration actually works satisfactorily.

Seconds, none of your links work.

Third, You haven't told us what kind of music you play.

Fourth, You haven't told us what equipment you have already

Fifth, why are you looking at vintage instruments? In my experience they're either massively overpriced and under played, or they're beat to hell and back and need an awful lot of TLC to get back into shape. On top of that, vintage doesn't mean good. There are an awful lot of vintage guitars that are just the budget models of yesteryear. Soviet era russian guitars are a primary example. They can be very collectible and very desirable, but its pretty much accepted fact that NONE of them play as well as their western counterparts. They're desirable for other reasons.

Farfisa 02-02-2012 07:18 PM

I'd just get the Ric. I wouldn't bother getting a Vox unless it's one of the models that has built in effects. The first option you gave looks like something I'd pick up at a yard sale for 20 bucks, really not a thousand dollar guitar at all.

If you want a cheap vintage guitar, go for the teiscos.

Peppermint4life 02-02-2012 08:16 PM

@ guitarbizarre

First off, I know the difficulties of having a left handed guitar. And I like working on things to fix them up. And my links work for me. :\ Finally, I play a punk blues fusion type deal. I have one 76 fender Twin Reverb 2x12, one Egnater Rebel 20, a cheap little Kustom KG100FX with two KG412 cabinets, one homemade cabinet I made of rosewood with 2 Jensen speakers.

Odyshape 02-02-2012 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Farfisa (Post 1149418)
I'd just get the Ric. I wouldn't bother getting a Vox unless it's one of the models that has built in effects. The first option you gave looks like something I'd pick up at a yard sale for 20 bucks, really not a thousand dollar guitar at all.

If you want a cheap vintage guitar, go for the teiscos.



This IS the most beautiful guitar ever made.

Howard the Duck 02-04-2012 06:17 AM

ah, just get a Les Paul

Farfisa 02-06-2012 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck (Post 1149940)
ah, just get a Les Paul

I'd love a gold top Les Paul with mini humbuckers, too bad they cost more than my entire collection of instruments.

GuitarBizarre 02-06-2012 05:12 AM

Ugh, les pauls...I was looking for one a while back to round out my collection. Played like 6 or so and even bought one, but I ended up taking it back after realising I'd convinced myself to like it because it was good "For a les paul", not because it was a really nice guitar.

**** Les Pauls.

mr dave 02-06-2012 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Howard the Duck (Post 1149940)
ah, just get a Les Paul

Or buy two better non-Gibson guitars for the same price.

@Peppermint - not sure why your links don't work for anyone outside your region but it's not a huge deal. Personally I'd go for the Burns over the Ric.

Since you seem to like vintage instruments have you ever checked out Eastwood guitars? They specialize in selling authentic replicas built with modern quality. I've never actually had the chance to try them myself but they seem to have a decent enough reputation - Welcome to Eastwood® Guitars.com

Odyshape 02-06-2012 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 1150658)
Or buy two better non-Gibson guitars for the same price.

@Peppermint - not sure why your links don't work for anyone outside your region but it's not a huge deal. Personally I'd go for the Burns over the Ric.

Since you seem to like vintage instruments have you ever checked out Eastwood guitars? They specialize in selling authentic replicas built with modern quality. I've never actually had the chance to try them myself but they seem to have a decent enough reputation - Welcome to Eastwood® Guitars.com

I have a eastwood classic 6. I really like the neck on it and it is really smooth and thin but it has horrid fret buzz that doesn't seem to want to go away, I don't really care about the fret buzz though really so it is not a big deal for me. There are also some minor cosmetic problems like built up varnish on corners of the F holes and on some parts of the binding around the body. If you can find a dealer of their guitars around it may be a much better idea than buying online since you can try them out without worrying about shipping problems if you decide you do not like it. Unfortunately for me my guitar experience was very limited at the time of buying my guitar so I had not much of an idea that there was some issues with it. I did get it for a really good deal though still so I am not complaining.

Garrett 02-06-2012 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odyshape (Post 1150723)
I have a eastwood classic 6. I really like the neck on it and it is really smooth and thin but it has horrid fret buzz that doesn't seem to want to go away, I don't really care about the fret buzz though really so it is not a big deal for me. There are also some minor cosmetic problems like built up varnish on corners of the F holes and on some parts of the binding around the body. If you can find a dealer of their guitars around it may be a much better idea than buying online since you can try them out without worrying about shipping problems if you decide you do not like it. Unfortunately for me my guitar experience was very limited at the time of buying my guitar so I had not much of an idea that there was some issues with it. I did get it for a really good deal though still so I am not complaining.

Thanks....that`s good to know! I have considered getting a Eastwood Tenor but like you mentioned, it`s better to lay your hands on before buying.

Dr_Rez 02-11-2012 11:35 PM

Anyone who wants a site that has got great coppies and some original designs should look at Rondo Music. Their guitar woods, necks are amazing. The hardware and nut are not so great but if you are handy with setups and have a nut you want to buy or already have they can be some of the best playing sounding guitars out their. I have a p90 strat copy from them which has new electronics/hardware/trem and I like it better than all the mexi's I have had including the 69 reissue thinline tele. Again if you are willing to put in the work you can spend under 300 dollars and get a guitar that will rival the real deal. I really want to order one of the agile 2000 les pauls coppies!

Ps> They have basses as well. The jazz coppies are amazing!

http://www.rondomusic.com/

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 1150646)
Ugh, les pauls...I was looking for one a while back to round out my collection. Played like 6 or so and even bought one, but I ended up taking it back after realising I'd convinced myself to like it because it was good "For a les paul", not because it was a really nice guitar.

**** Les Pauls.

Check out the Yamaha Sg. Im sure you have seen it before but in case you havnt its like a Paul SG hybrid. The ones I have seen were about as thick aas a Les Paul Jr but had the maple cap. They were double horned so it inda took the paul tone and added the sg playability. I just wish I could find one for a reasonable price god damnit.

http://www.guitarjapan.com/guitarmon...sg-1000_m3.jpg

ThePhanastasio 02-11-2012 11:46 PM

Left-handed Jazzmaster is the way to go; works brilliantly with effects pedals, and sounds great with only an exceptionally great post game and defense.

I really believe that either Kentucky or Syracuse winning the title.

mr dave 02-12-2012 07:23 AM

If Jazzmasters are anything like Jaguars (and they usually are) be advised that you'll also be buying the WIDEST neck you'll ever wrap your hand around. It's not quite as wide as the few 7 strings I've tried but the neck on my Jaguar is noticeably the widest in my collection.

blastingas10 02-20-2012 08:38 PM

I plan on making The next guitar I purchase a hollow body or semi-hollow body. I hear that hollow bodies tend to have feedback problems, and semi-hollow bodies have less feedback. Is this true? How do full hollow bodies sound when plugged into an amp with distortion?

I need some help measuring out the pros and cons of each guitar. Any advice or recommendations would be appreciated.

I currently have a solid body electric and an acoustic. I've been undecided on whether or not my next guitar should be electric or acoustic. So I figure I'll just get a hollow or semi-hollow body - a little taste of both worlds.

I hear that full hollow bodies sound good when you play them unplugged, and they project sound kind of like an acoustic. But do semi-hollow bodies have a noticeable difference between solid bodies when played unplugged?


Edit:

I've been doing some research. I saw someone say that their full hollow body sounded better than their acoustic when it was unplugged. That's a good thing for me, that's what I want. I hear that they're good for playing jazz and a soft B.B. King style blues when they are plugged in. But can they be used to play a loud, distorted rock n roll or metal style?

Peppermint4life 02-20-2012 10:56 PM

I prefer Semi-hollow body's, imho lol. But a hollow body sounds good distorted. Jack White uses a one on Seven Nation Army. :)

Dr_Rez 02-21-2012 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1157129)
I plan on making The next guitar I purchase a hollow body or semi-hollow body. I hear that hollow bodies tend to have feedback problems, and semi-hollow bodies have less feedback. Is this true? How do full hollow bodies sound when plugged into an amp with distortion?

I need some help measuring out the pros and cons of each guitar. Any advice or recommendations would be appreciated.

I currently have a solid body electric and an acoustic. I've been undecided on whether or not my next guitar should be electric or acoustic. So I figure I'll just get a hollow or semi-hollow body - a little taste of both worlds.

I hear that full hollow bodies sound good when you play them unplugged, and they project sound kind of like an acoustic. But do semi-hollow bodies have a noticeable difference between solid bodies when played unplugged?


Edit:

I've been doing some research. I saw someone say that their full hollow body sounded better than their acoustic when it was unplugged. That's a good thing for me, that's what I want. I hear that they're good for playing jazz and a soft B.B. King style blues when they are plugged in. But can they be used to play a loud, distorted rock n roll or metal style?

You can play anything on any guitar. A semi hollow can handle pretty much anything if you know how to set your amps and pedals while a full hollow body will pretty much always have some feedback with high gain. Lots of guys like that though. As for it sounding better than acoustic unplugged, thats crap a decent acoustic cant be beat, thats why its called an ACOUSTIC.

Here is a video of QOTSA where I think they both are using full hollow bodies.


Here is one of townsend using one, he often did and played some relatively hi ish gain stuff with it.


blastingas10 02-21-2012 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 1157183)
You can play anything on any guitar. A semi hollow can handle pretty much anything if you know how to set your amps and pedals while a full hollow body will pretty much always have some feedback with high gain. Lots of guys like that though. As for it sounding better than acoustic unplugged, thats crap a decent acoustic cant be beat, thats why its called an ACOUSTIC.

Here is a video of QOTSA where I think they both are using full hollow bodies.


Here is one of townsend using one, he often did and played some relatively hi ish gain stuff with it.




Just repeating what I read. Maybe he has a really ****ty acoustic. And ya, you can play any style on any kind of guitar, but I guess there are little things about certain guitars that make them better for what the guitarist is trying to achieve.

Is there really that much of a difference between solid body, semi-hollow and fully hollow electric?

Is there really that much of a difference between an acoustic-electric and a fully hollow bodied electric?

I already have a solid body, so if I want to play some stuff with high gain I could just use that. I guess what I'm looking for is something that sounds good when it's unplugged, but I don't really want an acoustic; I want to also be able to plug it up and play some blues or jazz, and even some rock with a little gain behind it. I think fully hollow matches that description.

That being said, what would you recommend?

Dr_Rez 02-21-2012 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1157190)
Just repeating what I read. Maybe he has a really ****ty acoustic. And ya, you can play any style on any kind of guitar, but I guess there are little things about certain guitars that make them better for what the guitarist is trying to achieve.

Is there really that much of a difference between solid body, semi-hollow and fully hollow electric?

Is there really that much of a difference between an acoustic-electric and a fully hollow bodied electric?

1. Yes. A fully hollow or even semi hollow have a certain airy quality. Sounds to me almost like the tone is slightly rolled off. A Solidbody general just handles gain much better as the pickups dont feedback from sounds echoing out of the fholes. Go to your local guitar store and play les paul/strat/335/175 style guitar with the same type of pickups through the same amp and you will see for yourself. Best way is to see for yourself.

2. Yes, the guitar is assembled completely different, wood thinkness, wood types, pickups are much higher winds. Basically while one is electric and one ss acoustic no matter how you look at it. Just because a pickup is plased in an acoustic guitar doesnt give it the same properties as an electric.

blastingas10 02-21-2012 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 1157192)
1. Yes. A fully hollow or even semi hollow have a certain airy quality. Sounds to me almost like the tone is slightly rolled off. A Solidbody general just handles gain much better as the pickups dont feedback from sounds echoing out of the fholes. Go to your local guitar store and play les paul/strat/335/175 style guitar with the same type of pickups through the same amp and you will see for yourself. Best way is to see for yourself.

2. Yes, the guitar is assembled completely different, wood thinkness, wood types, pickups are much higher winds. Basically while one is electric and one ss acoustic no matter how you look at it. Just because a pickup is plased in an acoustic guitar doesnt give it the same properties as an electric.

Thanks, man. You've been helpful. And ya, I'm planning on going to guitar center and testing some out.

What do you think of this guitar?

Ibanez AFS80T Hollowbody Electric Guitar Candy Apple and more Semi-Hollow and Hollow Body Electric Guitars at GuitarCenter.com.


It says it's a hollow body, but the depth is one inch thinner, for more "mid-range punch". I like the sound of that. 500 dollars is about my max, too. I'd like to play it before I bought it, though.

What's your take on it?

Dr_Rez 02-21-2012 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1157200)
Thanks, man. You've been helpful. And ya, I'm planning on going to guitar center and testing some out.

What do you think of this guitar?

Ibanez AFS80T Hollowbody Electric Guitar Candy Apple and more Semi-Hollow and Hollow Body Electric Guitars at GuitarCenter.com.


It says it's a hollow body, but the depth is one inch thinner, for more "mid-range punch". I like the sound of that. 500 dollars is about my max, too. I'd like to play it before I bought it, though.

What's your take on it?

Since you said you want to play BB king style blues yet be able to crank up the volume and gain when needed I would suggest going with a semi hollow. Its really a compromise between solidbody and full hollow, and I think they are incredibly versital. Another problem with the one you linked to is that guitars in the price range with bigsby style trems tend to never stay in tune. I would recommend a hardtail or be prepared to buy a real bigsby.

My friend has an Artcore AS73 semi hollow and I love it. Plays like a 335 and has is way more comfortable to play than a fat hollowbody, not to mention it can play death metal if you needed it to. I think their is also a version with a trem though.

http://www.mydukkan.com/media/as73lh-lg211924.jpg

Ibanez Artcore AS73 Electric Guitar Brown Sunburst and more Semi-Hollow and Hollow Body Electric Guitars at GuitarCenter.com.

Peppermint4life 02-21-2012 04:08 AM

@blastingas10

Just throwing this in there. An Epiphone Dot Flame Top. Epiphone Dot Deluxe Flametop Semi-Hollowbody Electric Guitar Vintage Sunburst and more Semi-Hollow and Hollow Body Electric Guitars at GuitarCenter.com. I play one on occasion and its just plain beautiful. Wasn't a huge fan of the neck pickup, but its still a great guitar, and its a little cheaper than the one you picked out. It handles distortion really well, which is a plus. This was my main guitar for quite awhile til I got a Gretsch CVT. Even still, I break this one out.

Btw, Gretsch makes some nice hollowbody guitars. Its a little out of your range, perhaps, but a G5122 is a good one too. My friend owns one and it sounds insane. It can't handle distortion as well, but has more of an airy sound. The clean sounds we can get out of it are remarkable. Gretsch Guitars G5122 Double Cutaway Electromatic Hollowbody Electric Guitar: Shop Guitars & Other Musical Instruments | Musician's Friend

blastingas10 02-21-2012 02:11 PM

I'm a pretty big guy, so I'm actually looking for something big. I have a good chromatic tuner, so I'm not that worried about getting one that doesn't stay in tune really well. But how badly do you think it would come out of tune? If I cant even play the thing 'cause it won't stay in tune long enough to do so, then **** that. I just really love the looks of the one I posted. I know, looks aren't everything. If I want to play something with high gain, I can just use my solid body.

And another reason I want a full-hollow body is because they sound good when played unplugged. I played a Epiphone Dot semi-hollow unplugged yesterday and it sounded a little better than an unplugged solid body, not much, though; but I did like it. I don't really like my acoustic, but I like to play acoustic. However, I don't want to buy another acoustic. Volume can be a problem for me, I can't always plug in and play loud.

So, I think a full hollow solves my volume problem. I can play it unplugged and it'll still sound pretty good, and I can plug it in when I want. This is the main reason that a full-hollow sounds good to me. But if they really don't project much sound acoustically, then I'll probably go with a semi-hollow.


I'm still going to consider a semi-hollow. I need to play the two and see how I feel then.


What do ya'll think about this one?

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-J...60-i1146968.gc


And this one:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ibanez-A...51-i1697605.gc

Dr_Rez 02-21-2012 04:51 PM

I say you cant go wrong with the artcore series. They sound great and dont really need upgrading.

blastingas10 02-21-2012 06:11 PM

Thanks for the advice. I'll keep it in mind.

Peppermint4life 02-21-2012 06:32 PM

I'd go with the Ibanez too. But I'm biased against Peavey. For whatever reason I just don't seem to like the sound I generally get. But then again I've never played an Artcore.

blastingas10 02-21-2012 07:28 PM

You think the Artcore's are better than the Epiphine Dot's?

Dr_Rez 02-21-2012 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1157402)
You think the Artcore's are better than the Epiphine Dot's?

Undoubtedly. Honestly I think its another league of guitar. In your price range its unrivaled.

Keep in mind thats just my opinion. I have played at least 15-20 brands in that price range though, and still find what I said to be true.

blastingas10 02-21-2012 08:36 PM

I definitely want to test one out. It's up there on my list. I think Ibanez might owe you a little comission if I get it. :laughing:

I got my eye on this one

Ibanez Artcore AG75 Electric Guitar Transparent Brown and more Semi-Hollow and Hollow Body Electric Guitars at GuitarCenter.com.

400 isn't bad, either.


I have another question. You were saying something about the tremolo bar causing that one Ibanez I posted to go out of tune a lot. Couldn't I just unscrew the bar and take it off if that was a serious problem?

Farfisa 02-21-2012 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1157402)
You think the Artcore's are better than the Epiphine Dot's?

The build quality, the components, the sound, the look of an Ibanez definitely outclasses that of an epiphone.

blastingas10 02-21-2012 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farfisa (Post 1157420)
The build quality, the components, the sound, the look of an Ibanez definitely outclasses that of an epiphone.

That's 2 for Ibanez, 0 for Epiphone. I'm definitely leaning towards the Ibanez.

GuitarBizarre 02-22-2012 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farfisa (Post 1157420)
The build quality, the components, the sound, the look of an Ibanez definitely outclasses that of an epiphone.

Thats bull****. Comparing brands is never going to give you a good idea of, well, anything. Gibson and Fender have great reputations and make some very nice guitars. They also both make some terrible guitars.

Same with Ibanez, same with epiphone, and believe me, I've owned and played enough of both. Hell, I've played Epiphones that beat out gibsons on the wall in the same room.

Peppermint4life 02-22-2012 04:42 AM

While I've never played an Artcore, I seem to prefer the Epiphones to Ibanez guitars. Just my general preference.

Two of my friends play Artcores in a band and they sound pretty good, but I still like the sound I get from my Epiphone. :) While the Ibanez are great guitars, you may want to change the pickups in it if that's your choice, though. My friends who play Artcores said that it sounds trashy at first. But once they changed the pickups they were good guitars. One put in Seymour Duncans and the other put in Burstbuckers.

mr dave 02-22-2012 06:51 AM

Something else to keep in mind is that solid body Epiphones and hollow body Epiphones are NOT made in the same factories or even in the same nations (or at least they weren't until raecently it if even changed). Epiphone started off as a hollow body guitar manufacturer and those models are generally recognized as quality. Their solid body instruments, yeah, those are usually bargain quality pieces (but getting much better recently), the hollows have always been quality.

GuitarBizarre 02-22-2012 06:54 AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Brand loyalty is for idiots who don't want to spend the time to find the best.

blastingas10 02-22-2012 10:52 AM

Well, have you, GuitarBizarre and mr dave, played any Ibanez and Epiphone hollow bodies?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peppermint4life (Post 1157524)
While I've never played an Artcore, I seem to prefer the Epiphones to Ibanez guitars. Just my general preference.

Two of my friends play Artcores in a band and they sound pretty good, but I still like the sound I get from my Epiphone. :) While the Ibanez are great guitars, you may want to change the pickups in it if that's your choice, though. My friends who play Artcores said that it sounds trashy at first. But once they changed the pickups they were good guitars. One put in Seymour Duncans and the other put in Burstbuckers.

My budget is tight, so I won't likely be changing any pickups. I want a good stock guitar for a good price.

GuitarBizarre 02-22-2012 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1157604)
Well, have you, GuitarBizarre and mr dave, played any Ibanez and Epiphone hollow bodies?



My budget is tight, so I won't likely be changing any pickups. I want a good stock guitar for a good price.

Yes, I have. I tried the Ibanez AK95 and Emperor Swingster.

I bought the Swingster because it was the better guitar.

blastingas10 02-22-2012 04:12 PM

I've been playing mostly jazz and classical for a while. I cranked up my amp and cranked up the gain for the first time in a while, reminded me of how I still like to wail on it. After that I think I'm leaning towards a semi-hollow instead of the full hollow.


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