Most overrated bands ever?

khfreek · 01-09-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dac

I'm going to agree on the Muse part... I really don't run into a lot of people hyping up Tool so I don't know if I can call them overrated. Muse though: All I hear is how great a guitarist Bellamy is, but I have yet to hear a song with a remotely interesting riff or anything.

That's why Plug In Baby commonly appears on lists for best guitar riffs...

jackhammer · 01-09-2009, 03:50 PM

Please no more damn Beatles arguments!

justnic · 01-09-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Please no more damn Beatles arguments!

Hey, sorry if it's getting annoying, I won't lie I didn't read every single post in the thread, I'm really not arguing with anyone, I'm just laying down the reasons why I think they're pretty alright. I respect everyone's own opinion.

boo boo · 01-10-2009, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Comus

I'm gonna have to say Tool and Muse, the two worst bands ever to be labelled incorrectly as prog, Seriously pretending to experiment but then not doing anything new is NOT prog.

Then Dream Theater are not prog either, or Porcupine Tree, or the majority of prog bands post late 70s.

You clearly don't know what prog means.

Comus · 01-10-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Then Dream Theater are not prog either, or Porcupine Tree, or the majority of prog bands post late 70s.

You clearly don't know what prog means.

I personally wouldn't call the late 70's bands/dream theater/porcupine tree prog to be honest. There are some exceptions, but I think the term progressive rock has been taken out of context quite significantly recently.

boo boo · 01-10-2009, 01:01 AM

No, I think it's you who has the term confused with something else.

Prog and progressive are not the same thing.

Progressive is just an attitude, doing something different, any artist of any genre has the potential to be progressive, that dosen't make it prog. If a band just rips off bands like Yes and Genesis without doing anything new, it's still prog. It's in the style that prog is associated with, therefore it's prog.

In other words, you can have a band like Primal Scream, who were very progressive, but by no means prog. And then Dream Theater who are not progressive, but are most certainly prog.

In a stylistic sense, Tool and Muse are very prog and it's foolish to suggest otherwise. And while I certainly wouldn't call bands like Tool, Muse and PT very innovative, especially in the way King Crimson, Yes and Genesis were. I wouldn't call them unoriginal either. "Unoriginal" is a term that's thrown around way too carelessly. If you have a sound and there's not another band with that same exact sound, it's original to an extent.

Rainard Jalen · 01-10-2009, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Comus

I'm gonna have to say Tool and Muse, the two worst bands ever to be labelled incorrectly as prog, Seriously pretending to experiment but then not doing anything new is NOT prog.

Dude. That excludes about 97% (or more) of the bands classed as prog today from being prog. It excludes pretty much the entire nu-prog movement. There is practically nothing whatsoever new in that music at all. It's crappy boring rip-off posturing of 70s bands.

As boo boo has argued [EDIT: at the time of making the post I wasn't even aware that an argument had transpired in this thread - Comus is talking absolute bigoted flaming nonsense, though], I don't think prog is necessarily about doing something new and experimental. It's more of a stylistic trait.

Aside from all that, Tool, while crap, don't honestly sound quite like any other band that came before them so it could easily be argued that there is much new in their sonic output. Muse on the other hand do tend to sound like a huge compendium of other, better sounds of yesteryear.

Comus · 01-10-2009, 02:07 AM

It depends on wether you consider indie a sound or a label association too. That being said I consider Indie to the most stupid genre to apply to anything. Seriously who cares what label you're on, they're all thieving bastards. I wouldn't call Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree or Tool unoriginal. It's probably me just wishing they weren't regarded as prog, I mean if I keep saying it maybe it will come true... right?

Rainard Jalen · 01-10-2009, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Comus

It depends on wether you consider indie a sound or a label association too. That being said I consider Indie to the most stupid genre to apply to anything. Seriously who cares what label you're on, they're all thieving bastards. I wouldn't call Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree or Tool unoriginal. It's probably me just wishing they weren't regarded as prog, I mean if I keep saying it maybe it will come true... right?

I do agree whole-heartedly about Dream Theatre and Porcupine Tree not being particularly innovative in the slightest and being patent rip-offs of other sounds, in spite of the scores and scores of deluded fanatics who would do anything to prove otherwise. I've argued before that Porcupine Tree, particularly the early stuff, is almost a complete rip-off of Pink Floyd and Genesis, though boo boo does not agree with me on that at all.

dac · 01-10-2009, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

In a stylistic sense, Tool and Muse are very prog and it's foolish to suggest otherwise. And while I certainly wouldn't call bands like Tool, Muse and PT very innovative, especially in the way King Crimson, Yes and Genesis were. I wouldn't call them unoriginal either. "Unoriginal" is a term that's thrown around way too carelessly. If you have a sound and there's not another band with that same exact sound, it's original to an extent.

Muse are original? If I wanted to hear a bad Radiohead record, I'd put on Pablo Honey...

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