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Old 03-26-2013, 04:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Gypsy Music (Manele/Chalga)

From wikipedia: "Manele can be divided into "classical manele" and "modern manele". The "classical manele" are a Turkish-derived genre performed by lăutari in a lăutărească manner, while the "modern manele" are a mixture of Turkish, Greek and Middle Eastern elements, generally using modern (electronic) instruments and beats."

In my view, manele is something college taught me way too much about. It's usually funny, about weird sexual relationships, and above all else, cheesy and fun at parties.

I can understand a fair bit of Romanian, but once you get into the gyspy (tigan) language, I'm lost. In any case, all my best friends at school were Romanian. Don't ask me how that happened, it's still a mystery to me. It has something to do with the combination of Macroeconomics 101 and being blond.

Bulgarians call it chalga, and that is also good. Any search for chalga or manele will yield plentiful results on the youtube. But beware.

Without further ado, I will post a few of my favorite manele tracks, for your listening pleasure.

The first guy you should get to know is Liviu Pustu. He is a legend.



The song is a Romeo & Juliet theme, and the title means: You are Romanian, and I am a gyspy. Basically the chorus outlines the fact that gypsy men are looked down upon by Romanian women. She's smart and well-dressed, he's kinda dumb and unattractive. Their parents won't let them marry, but he'll love her until he dies, etc. One of my favorite manele tracks of all time.

"Dragostea nu are lege!" - Love has no law! What a nice message.

Another famous dude is Liviu Guta.



This song is about being sore after 4 days and 4 nights of crazy sex.

Here's a great track by Hotline. Not sure if it's real manele, but it rocks.

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This song is about how all the girls in the world are the same, but Romanian girls are very special and the best in bed.

Anyway, enjoy! I'm sure I'm the only person on MB that would listen to this kind of crapped on crap but I can at least expose you. It's definitely better when a) drunk b) with Romanians c) playing poker.
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Old 03-26-2013, 04:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Manele and chalga are new words to me, misspoptart, so thanks for introducing me to them. The music clips were fun; I listened to them this morning while I was getting dressed for work. Thatīs about the sexiest thing that happens in my house these days ! Are all Romanian songs about love, sex and beautiful dancing girls? - because thatīs how it looks in the Romanian House thread too.

Oddly enough, your first clip reminded me immediately of a song by Amr Diab. Although he is from Iraq, this clip also features a dancing girl, so maybe itīs not too irrelevant to post here. Do you notice a similarity, or am I just imagining it ?

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...but don't be resistant to classical manele tho.
Unfortunately, it has about the same reputation
as rembetika in Greece. Let us not forget Aurel
and Victor Gore (who didn't invent the Internet
either). Look for the wonderful album Taraful
Fraţilor Gore
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Old 03-27-2013, 05:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Hey Rostasi, thanks for dropping by I actually don't know any classical manele, so feel free to post a selection. That Victor Gore track is already turning me on, and it actually sounds a bit Moldovan. I'll have to do a bit of research on this lovely man.
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Manele and chalga are new words to me, misspoptart, so thanks for introducing me to them. The music clips were fun; I listened to them this morning while I was getting dressed for work. Thatīs about the sexiest thing that happens in my house these days ! Are all Romanian songs about love, sex and beautiful dancing girls? - because thatīs how it looks in the Romanian House thread too.
Hahaha this made me laugh out loud. I'm glad manele added a bit of risque to your normal routine. Yeah, I just turned on the translations for 4 zile 4 nopte (one of the songs I posted above), and proceeded to laugh harder, the song lyrics are just too funny. "After you can't take it anymore I'll take you to a doctor," etc. Yeah, not all Romanian songs are like this of course, because there are also little kids involved in the music scene over there. But you'd be hard pressed to find some Romanian music that doesn't have beautiful dancing girls.

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Oddly enough, your first clip reminded me immediately of a song by Amr Diab. Although he is from Iraq, this clip also features a dancing girl, so maybe itīs not too irrelevant to post here. Do you notice a similarity, or am I just imagining it ?
There is definitely a similarity in terms of their voices. It is said that gypsy people originally emigrated from the Middle East/India, so of course there's some influences in their music. Thanks for posting that clip, I liked it!
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^ Thanks for the kind comment, Miss P.

Yes, as the gypsies moved from India and into Europe, they mustīve picked up a real mix of influences. When I have time I might investigate a bit more, because at the moment, between you and rostasi, I feel really out of my depth.

Rostasi, I also liked your Victor Gore clip very much, especially the sound of the plucked string instrument that accompanies the accordian. Any idea what it might be ?

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Unfortunately, it has about the same reputation
as rembetika in Greece.
This remark had me puzzled though; I wonder what rembetika is, and what reputation it has.
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Rostasi, I also liked your Victor Gore clip very much,
especially the sound of the plucked string instrument
that accompanies the accordion.
Any idea what it might be?
Yeah, it's a standard no-frills cimbalom that's almost
as common to Eastern European culture as guitar is to R 'n' R
(although it isn't always called or spelled as "cimbalom").
It's actually a struck instrument. It took the place of the
nearly extinct cobza in Lăutărească music that's mostly
played by tarafs in Romania.


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This remark had me puzzled though;
I wonder what rembetika is, and what reputation it has.
The reason I mentioned re(m)betika is that it's a collection of Greek music
that most often refers to the lower-class or urban subculture of drugs,
prostitution, poverty, a.o. (due to their "blues" over their deportation
about 90 years ago from Anatolia) while manele has somewhat the same
reputation in Romania. There's always dispute about the modern forms.
Some Romani arguing that its prohibition is a form of antiziganism.



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There is definitely a similarity in terms of their voices. It is said that gypsy people originally emigrated from the Middle East/India, so of course there's some influences in their music. Thanks for posting that clip, I liked it!
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^ Thanks for the kind comment, Miss P.
Yes, as the gypsies moved from India and into Europe, they mustīve picked up a real mix of influences. When I have time I might investigate a bit more, because at the moment, between you and rostasi, I feel really out of my depth.
The Gypsies left Northern India some 1000+ years ago, passing through the middle east and into Europe. The most travelled entered the UK some 500 years ago.
For a really good understanding of the music of the Gypsies and how it developed take a look at Latcho Drom (Safe/good Journey)
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Having trouble trying to post the youtube for the entire series of 10.
Anyway here's an episode from the journey of the Rom in Spain;


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Better still I've found the entire film that will allow me to use here;



This film depicts the journey of the Romany Gypsies and the development of their music from India to France.
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