Sex Pistols vs. Ramones (hardcore, pop, punk, rock, genre)

tdoc210 · 01-27-2007, 09:38 PM

Wire is i'yte.
Better than both abnds listed here.
Johnyn Rotten really only shined in early PIL.

sleepy jack · 01-27-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

Wire was more influential and wrote better music. AND came out at the same time.

I was more talking about just the punk genre, I havn't heard of Wire so I doubt they were more influential in the punk genre. Up an album?

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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr

More like, a two chord **** fest. If i want simple music, ill listen to the stooges, who would ****ing rip apart the ramones, and rape their dead bodies.
Stooges = more agressive,a nd more punk than the ramones, and the stooges were not even punk.

Actually, quite a few of their songs are three/four chords I should I know I was in a Ramones cover band and how could the Stooges be more punk if they weren't even a punk band?

And The Ramones were much better then the Stooges, plus the Stooges aren't even one of the bands being compared here, or band you mentioned earlier. Is your argument just going to consist of pulling a bands and saying they're better? If thats the case.

The Ramones>>>Every band you've listened to, listen to, or will ever listen to her.

DO I WINZ NOW?!

tdoc210 · 01-27-2007, 09:48 PM

no because you don't have a valid argument.

sleepy jack · 01-27-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr

no because you don't have a valid argument.

My arguement wasn't valid but yours was?

swim · 01-27-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

I was more talking about just the punk genre, I havn't heard of Wire so I doubt they were more influential in the punk genre. Up an album?

They came out in 77 but they're really a post punk band. Inspired Minutemen and Husker Du and other Art/Alternative punk bands which led to hardcore which led to post-hardcore and emo, grunge, noise-rock and screamo. I'd say that's more influential. I'll post pink flag in their thread.

sleepy jack · 01-27-2007, 10:01 PM

Well, I havn't ever heard of them, and the Ramones were still one the most influential punk bands ever. They influenced Minor Threat, Black Flag, Dead Kennedy's and that whole thing, alot of Street Punk bands and various other sub-genres plus when it comes to pop-punk they own that genre.

And they did influence Ian Mackaye, so they created sXe. Infact i'm going to start calling them xRamonesx.

cardboard adolescent · 01-27-2007, 10:06 PM

yeah wire is great but you know post-punk is basically a better genre than punk but in this particular argument i'm gonna have to go with the ramones not because the sex pistols were more image or any of that bull**** just cuz i like more ramones songs and **** so there ya go

swim · 01-27-2007, 10:08 PM

Of course the Ramones were very influential. But I honestly don't think that hardcore was more influenced by pop-punk than post-punk. Based on everything I've ever read hardcore and it's subgenres is bigger and more variant than pop punk and all it's subgenres.

sleepy jack · 01-27-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

Of course the Ramones were very influential. But I honestly don't think that hardcore was more influenced by pop-punk than post-punk. Based on everything I've ever read hardcore and it's subgenres is bigger and more variant than pop punk and all it's subgenres.

Yeah i'm not talking about the Ramones influencing Circle Takes the Square or Converge though. I'm talking about the Ramones influencing Minor Threat and those earlier hardcore bands, I think 70s punk such as the Ramones, The Clash and the Misfits (more 80s but similar style) played a huge influence on hardcore.

cardboard adolescent · 01-27-2007, 10:15 PM

I think Ian MacKaye has always had a serious experimental bone (comes out pretty hard on some Fugazi tracks) so in his particular case post-punk probably played a pretty large role. For most early hardcore bands, though, The Ramones were probably the ****, and post-punk more of a footnote, or, too close to new wave to matter.

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01-27-2007, 09:38 PM	#151 (permalink)
tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,617	Wire is i'yte. Better than both abnds listed here. Johnyn Rotten really only shined in early PIL. __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.

01-27-2007, 09:48 PM	#153 (permalink)
tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,617	no because you don't have a valid argument. __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.

01-27-2007, 10:08 PM	#158 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	Of course the Ramones were very influential. But I honestly don't think that hardcore was more influenced by pop-punk than post-punk. Based on everything I've ever read hardcore and it's subgenres is bigger and more variant than pop punk and all it's subgenres. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

01-27-2007, 10:06 PM	#157 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	yeah wire is great but you know post-punk is basically a better genre than punk but in this particular argument i'm gonna have to go with the ramones not because the sex pistols were more image or any of that bull** just cuz i like more ramones songs and ** so there ya go

01-27-2007, 10:15 PM	#160 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	I think Ian MacKaye has always had a serious experimental bone (comes out pretty hard on some Fugazi tracks) so in his particular case post-punk probably played a pretty large role. For most early hardcore bands, though, The Ramones were probably the ****, and post-punk more of a footnote, or, too close to new wave to matter.