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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra
In a lot of ways, I adore Captain Beefheart, but feel his influence/personality often outweigh the quality of his musical output.
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Explain please...
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Essentially, Beefheart had his thing that he perfected for Trout Mask Replica, and polished with Lick My Decals Off, but I think he really failed to go anywhere from there. As ingenious as a lot of the subtle values of his work, once you get past those it's all just basically all just off timed blues with abstract lyrics.
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While I will not deny that Frank Zappa had a far more eclectic discography than Beefheart, I will have to disagree with you on the "off timed blues" comment. I think there's a little more to albums like
Doc at the Radar Station and
Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller) than that... but we're all entitled to our own opinions...
Ice Cream for Crow, on the other hand, was rather unimpressive (to me that is).
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Beefheart's only attempt at evolution after "Lick My Decals Off" was a failed attempt at a commercial sound for years ended in just a reversion to the Trout Mask Replica sound.)
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Except for the fact that TMR didn't have the punkish abrasiveness of
Doc at the Radar Station, nor the more controlled sound of the instrumentals of
Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller). Not to mention, I feel that Shiny Beast had more variety in terms of his use of different instruments as well as the album's overall song composition.
I guess the two albums just have different atmospheres than
Lick My Decals Off Baby and
Trout Mask Replica (I can't completely put my finger on it).
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Plus, I've never been keen on Beefheart's ridiculous ego, and insane obsession with having to mix the instrument tracks down to nothing so his, admittedly awesome, voice could be heard.
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Zappa had a hell of an ego, too... don't forget that. However, I do agree with you on how Beefheart mixed some of the music. He somewhat stopped that with his last three releases, though.
Also, I thought you didn't care about the artist, but more about the art itself? (Remember our chat about Charles Manson and Joe Meek?)
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk
Beefheart is so much better this can pretty much be used as a litmus test to judge a person's understanding of music. It gets into an area so clear cut it's no longer a matter of opinion. The one main thing that gives Zappa serious credibility is his association with Beefheart. Zappa did some really cool stuff and I respect him but Beefheart must be honored with the deepest kind of reverence reserved for a very select few musicians. If you don't vote for Beefheart in the poll you should feel embarrassed. The difference is that profound.
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How is it not opinion? Music is entirely subjective... and just because someone prefers one musician over another doesn't mean they're wrong... nor should they feel embarrassed.
By the way, I took the time to bold the comments that I felt didn't make any sense and completely took me by surprise...