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Old 12-18-2007, 04:42 AM   #141 (permalink)
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Well...I hate to break it to you, but the world of modern music is not in the philospohical realm.
And if you don't think the song is cliche, (which I believe you've been neutral on so far), good for you.
I highly doubt most people buy an album, come home, and think, "I wonder what kind of philosophical aspects
I can discern from this song." Specially with most people.
The lyrics may come off that way to you, but your opinion does not make that fact.
Same with mine. My opinion is that the song kicks arse, and you don't like it.
So...you suck....
Appreciate your views though.
See, what I'm saying is that Tool are purportedly deeply philosophical. MJK writes stuff under the guide of it being profound, poignant, penetrating. If none of these pretenses existed, then there'd be little to say on the matter.
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Old 12-18-2007, 04:51 AM   #142 (permalink)
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There is one thing you've got to say, that I am interested in though. Where did you hear that Maynard was interested in indie?
That caught my eye. I think it was you that said it.

Edit: The entire album struck me as deeply thought out, for the most.
Vicarious, Jambi, 10,000 Days, and Right In Two.
Those were the best tracks on it, in my opinion.
I enjoyed others like The Pot, and was disappointed with Lipan Conjuring.
If the album doesn't impact you as being thought out as a whole, then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
I just wish these discussions can come to a much faster and better end, than the previous one of tonight.
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:07 AM   #143 (permalink)
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There is one thing you've got to say, that I am interested in though. Where did you hear that Maynard was interested in indie?
That caught my eye. I think it was you that said it.

Edit: The entire album struck me as deeply thought out, for the most.
Vicarious, Jambi, 10,000 Days, and Right In Two.
Those were the best tracks on it, in my opinion.
I enjoyed others like The Pot, and was disappointed with Lipan Conjuring.
If the album doesn't impact you as being thought out as a whole, then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
I just wish these discussions can come to a much faster and better end, than the previous one of tonight.
Maynard James Keenan | The A.V. Club

This interview seems to point in the direction of Maynard having musical interests lying far enough outside of the metal genre. About a quater down he discusses the decision to take Mastodon on tour with them and states his preference for taking the likes of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs or Autolux. It's a decent interview in general, though.
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:09 AM   #144 (permalink)
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Hmm. Kinda strikes me as odd, since his lyrics in A Perfect Circle while somewhat lighter, (and better), still hold his same old style.
He's also fronting the new band Puscifer, and they attempt to get even darker than Tool on some points.
I wouldn't mind seeing him branch out. Wonder why he isn't doing it.

Edit: Now that I've read the interview, it doesn't seem like he wants to branch out into indie territory.
I think the point he was trying to make, is that he just didn't want darker bands than Tool opening for them.
He'd rather have something like an indie band do it. That's the way it comes off to me, anyway.
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:21 AM   #145 (permalink)
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AVC: Given how many records Tool sells, do you feel your message just gets diluted anyway?

MJK: Oh, it's going to get diluted. I tested the water with the political album A Perfect Circle did. [Until 2005, Keenan was pulling double-duty in A Perfect Circle; the political album was 2004's covers EP eMOTIVe. —ed.] I didn't even write those songs; I was just letting people hear what was said before me, the things that inspired me as a child, and things that were said during various turbulent times. And I was ****ing crucified. If you go back and listen to that album and just forget that it's covers, it's a good album, but I was crucified because of its content, because there's an army of little ****ing brats out there just going into every little chat room, talking **** and undermining anybody who has anything to say. It's like this insane, 1984/Big Brother infrastructure.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:54 AM   #146 (permalink)
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Hmm. Kinda strikes me as odd, since his lyrics in A Perfect Circle while somewhat lighter, (and better), still hold his same old style.
He's also fronting the new band Puscifer, and they attempt to get even darker than Tool on some points.
I wouldn't mind seeing him branch out. Wonder why he isn't doing it.

Edit: Now that I've read the interview, it doesn't seem like he wants to branch out into indie territory.
I think the point he was trying to make, is that he just didn't want darker bands than Tool opening for them.
He'd rather have something like an indie band do it. That's the way it comes off to me, anyway.
What I was getting at is that his own musical interests span well beyond prog and metal. He has been experimenting with various styles and, well, Puscifer wouldn't even fall under Rock. He'd probably like to try all sorts of things.

The problem is that, due to industry demands, Tool have to be Tool. Working within a fairly limited framework of ideas, they did all that they could from Undertow to Lateralus; they went virtually everywhere that they were able to go within that restricted framework, while still remaining Tool through and through. This is the reality behind why this band records quite so very little: they know how easy it is for them specifically, as a band, to burn themselves out.

When the time came to record that fourth LP, they'd already mostly reached a deadend. A group in a less restricted position might have sought to reinvent themselves entirely. But Tool had little option besides pandering to the fans and making what was in the end a pretty fan-friendly record.

What I question, ultimately, is whether, given an entirely free reign with no expectations from any quarters, Tool would have made 10,000 Days. My personal point of view is that they would have tried something rather different.
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:23 PM   #147 (permalink)
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Hmm. That is a fair point. Unfortunately, alot of bands are restricted by their labels from going into alot of experimentation. Such restrictions hinder a band's creativity, and drives them into dead ends. It is possible they would have done slightly better, but I enjoy the album for what it is.
This may also explain why they used every little bit of album time the label would allow. Down to the last very last second.
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:28 PM   #148 (permalink)
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hmm wellllll
i didn't read any of that.
But remember winning an argument on the internet is like the special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded.

Tool was good, for a listen. Not like i would **** all over them.
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Old 12-18-2007, 09:15 PM   #149 (permalink)
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Hey, now. Self loathing isn't allowed!
Calling yourself retarded in front of other members, might make us think you've flipped! ..>.>
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Old 12-19-2007, 07:36 AM   #150 (permalink)
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Hmm. That is a fair point. Unfortunately, alot of bands are restricted by their labels from going into alot of experimentation. Such restrictions hinder a band's creativity, and drives them into dead ends. It is possible they would have done slightly better, but I enjoy the album for what it is.
This may also explain why they used every little bit of album time the label would allow. Down to the last very last second.
They've practically done that on the last three albums. I was never entirely sure why they had to have them completely filled. I mean, I know how a lot of fans like to say that every single track on Aenima is vital. I guess partly what they want to do is make it as if they're creating something that goes beyond simply being an album. As in, a comprehensive work of art in sound in which every component part fills some greater purpose in contributing towards a fully coherent whole.

My view is that Tool never excelled with the soundscape tracks. It's not their specialty. They can never compete with soundscapes from real actual ambient artists. Viginti Tres for example isn't even interesting, let alone an accomplished soundscape. What it comes down to ultimately is that Tool are at their very best when doing one of two things: either building up energy within a song towards a peak, or just plain rocking out. The rest they'd be best not bothering with.
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