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Old 06-20-2007, 09:20 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Ive seen you on muiltipul forums saying Metallica and slayer are the worst **** you kid go suck your **** while you listen to your ****ing emo **** I bet you do listen to emo music
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:43 PM   #22 (permalink)
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1. Astronomy Domine
2. Lucifer Sam
3. Matilda Mother
4. Flaming
5. Pow R Toc H
6. Take Up Thy Stethoscope and Walk
7. Interstellar Overdrive
8. The Gnome
9. Chapter 24
10. Scarecrow
11. Bike


Ive never been completely certain about how to feel about this, the first album by Pink Floyd and its only full length with Syd Barrett at the helm. Musically there are some very good songs on this album, so good in fact that at times I wish Barrett would just shut up and let the band be heard.

Im not a fan of Barrett, far from it in fact. I generally find his lyrics to be childish, inane and self consciously fey, cute and twee. Of course whimsy is what Barrett is known for and its the sort of thing that I guess you find endearing and are charmed by or just find to be unsophisticated and naive. I guess this is the sort of thing that the punk bands were reacting to a decade later. Taking my general dislike of Barrett into account I was surprised that I didnt absolutely abhor this album. Album opener "Astronomy Domine" kicks the album off in fine fashion with a beeping sound that gives way to a menacing guitar riff. The song progresses through several changes and is one of the albums more concise and structured songs, with a brilliantly empty middle section.

"Lucifer Sam" features a guitar riff that sounds like it belongs in a spy movie, a driving beat from Nick Mason and a short organ solo by Rick Wright that helps hold the whole thing together. The sound of Pink Floyd during the Syd Barrett era was actually far more eclectic than the tag psychedelia would suggest and "Lucifer Sam" with its driving sound is a good example of this. In contrast "Matilda Mother" is pure psychedelia, with a spacey reverb effect on Barret's vocals giving the song a druggy, hazy atmosphere. Its a far softer sound than the albums first two songs and demonstrates that even early on the Floyd had range in terms of arrangements. "Flaming" similarly has a gentler sound than "Astronomy Domine."

Unfortunately this is the point at which the album takes a considerable nosedive. The experimental and directionless "Pow R. Toc H" comes across as nothing more than a pointless filler track the band decided to bung on there to fill up 5 minutes. It really doesnt warrant talking about. The same can be said of the frankly dreadful "Take Up Thy Stethoscope and Walk", featuring as it does possible the single most clumsy set of lyrics Ive ever had the displeasure of hearing and some incredibly bad guitar playing from Barrett that kind of sounds like a bee buzzing around inside of an empty beer can. Its notable solely for being Roger Waters first writing credit but certainly not for the composition itself.

The path downward continues with the nearly 10 minute long "Interstellar Overdrive", a song that kicks off with a nasty little riff so good you wish theyd based a song on it instead of tacking 8 minutes worth of directionless pointless jamming onto the end of it. Its got some innovative stero panning effects on it near the end but apart from that you can skip it after you've heard the first 50 seconds or so of riff. "The Gnome" is everything I hate about Syd Barrett's early songwriting all in a single song, so twee and quaint you might as well just watch an episode of Last of the Summer Wine and so bloody childish you may as well have asked a 6 year old to set crayon to paper and come up with something.

"Chapter 24" is a great song musically, so great that you just want Barrett to stop going on about mysticism so you can actually hear the music in all its glory. A nice bit of arrangement, its features nothing but cymbal crashes, melodic bass playing and a pretty lttle organ melody. "The Scarecrow" is similarly minimalist and concise but certainly darker in tone. "Bike", like "The Gnome", is twee and naive and between the inane lyrics (especially the gingerbread men verse) and wacky sounds effects it has little to recommend it really.

It is clearly evident from The Piper at the Gates of Dawn that Pink Floyd wasted no time in experimenting with new sounds and that they had already moved away from the kaleidoscopic sound of their earlier records. For this reason there is nothing on Piper that reaches the heights of "Arnold Layne" or the absolute musical peak of their very early years or "See Emily Play" as they named it. Neither of those singles appear on Piper and in a sense its fitting that they don't because both songs, "See Emily Play" in particular, display a clarity of vision, both in terms of arrangement and production, that they failed to recapture here.
I think you're missing the point of Syd Barret's lyrics. The pure randomness of them, coupled with the occasionally meandering melodies and sound effects all(In my opinion)fit in beautifully with the excellent(If inconsistent)guitar of Barret. it isn't the technically best Pink Floyd album but it's my favorite. Personally I love the wildness of Power R. H Toc, but I definetaly agree with you on the annoying length of Interstellar Overdrive. It's just waaay too long. Cut it down to 3 or 4 minutes and it would great, but as it is one guitar riff doesn't make a song.
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Old 06-21-2007, 05:33 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by boo boo View Post
Its not that simple. When you call somebodies post "F*cking bullsh*t" unprovoked and make the kind of generalisation about the band that you did like its pure fact. You can't expect that person not to get a little irritated by your attitude.

You response was not nice at all and was uncalled for, and now you're talking down to me a like you're a damn mod?
I did not say your'e post was bull****. I was reacting to your post with the words bullsh[i]t, which means I don't agree with that statement. I never attacked you personally and I have a right to my opinion.

--A band I did like?-- I love Floyd, but I should also be able to discuss their failings as well as their success without being called retarted.

--Your response was not nice---

Being called a retard because I dare to have a differing opinion? I think my reply was fairly magnanimous considering I'm a retard.

I have found umpteen threads around Musicbanter professing a dislike to many bands that I like. No worries . Life is too short. I will offer my contrasting opinion, but I will not resort to being a verbal bully.

The word RETARD has been used in very poor taste I think.

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Old 06-22-2007, 02:30 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Can't we just get back to the idea of critiqueing the album and not each other. Ive seen this on other boards too mny times to lot learn from and what I learned was that as long as both people want to have the final the arguing will carry on and on forever untill somebody gets banned.
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Old 11-17-2007, 06:22 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by boo boo View Post
Yeah, I disagree with most of your review. I think this album is brilliant musically, though the lyrics are pretty random and out there. But that was what made Barrett so cool. I also think Astronomy Domine is better than Arnold Lane.

I like all of the songs except Chapter 24 and Bike, which are real throwaways.

And really, if you don't think Interstellar Overdrive should have been on Piper, then you really don't understand what it was that Pink Floyd were trying to achieve at the time.
I agree with everything except there's not a song on there I don't like
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