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Old 04-19-2009, 06:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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meh, I disagree. Album's a beast. Maybe it's just nostalgia... but 'Breaking the Girl', I can lucidly say without a hint of sarcasm is one of, if not the, best songs they ever wrote. It prefigures the whole Californication sound in a way, but doesn't. Sure it's stupid hippy monkey sex music but when I hear the album I can't say much against the music itself, and the production is immense.

OMG... you called 'righteous and the wicked' filler!? Lies make baby Jesus cry, Janszoon.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:34 AM   #22 (permalink)
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alright so this band and the flu isn't a good combo but whatever. first off i'll be clear with my bias, this album was HUGE for me. it's one of the pillars of my youth, it's not hyperbole when i say i wore out the cassette then did the same to the cd, it's fact. my original copies don't play anymore, that's right, i physically wore out a cd. hell, i even went to a haloween party where my costume was my strat and a sock.

having said that i haven't listened to the band much in the last decade until a few months ago. it took all of about 6 seconds of 'power of equality' to feel 17 again. that tune still rocks my ears as hard as the first time i heard it. it definitely follows in the vein of their more thought provoking political tunes like 'johnny kick a hole in the sky', 'american ghost dance', or 'green heaven'

'if you have to ask' definitely feels like it's moving at half speed but it's a personal favourite, i absolutely love playing this song on guitar, the breakdown just before the solo is just TOO MUCH fun to play hehe. i've got a live version of this tune from 2003 or something where they jam out the last half a bunch. i quite prefer it over this studio version.

that's one thing i've noticed with this album, a lot of these songs still feel like jams. there's still lots of room to stretch things out, it's apparent in the way a lot of the songs are structured, it allows for the tunes to flow into and out of each other with ease in a live setting. the only problem is that sometimes the live tricks are better saved for the stage.

...breaking the girl. yes, it's a well written song. it shows that keidis is capable of writing poignant prose. thing is, back in 1991 this was the dude who used to rap about all the dirty things he wanted to do to his sexy mexican maid. yes it shows maturity but it also sounds like it could have been put out by REM. musically it's one of the tracks that's aged the best to my ears, especially near the end.

funky monks, i've always liked, again it's the fact that it's an obvious jam. problem is it's the 2nd time in 4 tracks this same pattern happens. guitar intro, thumping bass a few bars later, verse chorus verse, peek a boo solo, 'jam' out. probably incredible live.

'suck my kiss' - it's the first song i ever learned on guitar start to finish, solo and all. while it's simple to play, it's also one of the few leads on the album that isn't a very generic blues lead. i remember my mom misinterpreting the lyrics one time and asking me to listen to something with 'nicer' vocals, she kept think he was screaming 'suck my ****' haha.

'i could have lied'. well i could do the same and say it's not that bad, but how the fvck did they choose this for the album when they released 'soul to squeeze' as a b-side?

'mellowship slinky in B major' - another perennial favourite of mine. it's got all sorts of old school and new school styles and i find it works really well. the fingerstyle is a departure for the bass but it's still way funky, same with the plucked guitar, the rap is subtle but still dirty enough to be right. hell, anthony's singing on this track was alright.

'righteous & the wicked' - filler? really? i'm not following. it's like the only other track on the disc that tries to touch grey matter over pink flesh besides 'power of equality'. again another non-jam tune where the instrumental bit doesn't sound tacked on. i always thought it was badass when i was young but i just realized it's like a slightly altered version of the instrumental break from the last tune. only this one is hammer-ons instead of slides.

'give it away' - all i have to say about this song is SABBATH RIPOFF . it's true though, frusciante admitted it in a guitar magazine interview back in the day. basically flea came in to jam one day and started with a 'throwaway' riff, technically it's pretty plain, just 4-5 notes for the most part, not very flea-esque at all. frusciante initially started jamming over it with sabbath's 'sweet leaf' riff, upon which keidis started rapping and it was on. they actually had to fight with flea to keep the riff that simple. frusciante actually starts playing the sabbath riff over the last 30 seconds of the tune hehehe.

'blood sugar sex magik' - the title track and it lives up to its position on the album. like janzoon says, it doesn't really sound like anything else they've ever done but it most definitely sounds like the peppers. chad smith really shows his restraint on this track especially during the verses, any other drummer would be filling the gaps with endless paradiddles and rolls over the weird sliding bass motif and the droning guitar but smith doesn't just sit in the pocket he leans back into it even deeper.

under the bridge - i honestly don't remember the last time i heard this song. maybe on the radio in 2004. i remember my old man telling me he thought it was some new band that was writing some touchy-feely cash-in song about LA in light of the rodney king riots. he'd heard their old stuff and couldn't believe it was them. he totally called out anthony's out of tune vocals, i never noticed them at the time... hahaha

'naked in the rain' sounds like a leftover from the mother's milk sessions. it's like they're trying to channel 'behind the sun' but the delorean just isn't hitting 88mph.

'apache rose pea****' is another favourite, i agree the trumpet could be louder. my friends unknowingly jammed to the outro riff to this tune in the drummer's parent's basement quite often in 2002-3 hahaha. speaking of honah-lee, Achewood § April 13, 2009

'greeting song' yeah i know i called it filler in the last thread, it's that chorus, too much cheese. i've always loved the solo in this song, especially the backing melody. thing is, the band also recorded 'sikamikaniko' around this time and that only showed up on the 'wayne's world' soundtrack. if only one of the tracks could fit i prefer the latter. both would have been way cooler than 'naked in the rain'.

'my lovely man' - it's proper a tribute to hillel slovak, the original guitarist who passed away in 1988. this is one of the best tracks on the disc in my opinion. it's not half hearted or contrived, the emotions are all true.

the album closes off with 'sir psycho sexy'. i LIKE juicy fart bass thank you very much hahahahahaha. this one always reminded me of how 'yertle the turtle' finished off freakey styley. it's long, it's different, doesn't match up with anything else on the disc. it's like a total neo p-funk tune, with a bit of a nicer g-rap feel. kind of reminds me of ezy-e at times on this track. then they kind of go all paranoid android prototype around the 4 minute mark before coming back to finish up the song so the 'ending' can start. it's kind of like layla, another 2 minutes of nice melody that doesn't really go anywhere or have anything to do with the preceding but i always love hearing it regardless.

i never cared for 'they're red hot'. to me it felt like it ruined the end of the album. all it's missing is a slide whistle or some other piece of crap.



this was definitely a transformational album for the band. it was apparent from the 3rd track. i have to say this album is still effing awesome. oddly enough it's the first few songs that i liked the most back in the day that i enjoyed the least now. i think a lot of it has to do with my personal development as a musician.

i noticed early on that a lot of frusciante's leads on this disc end the same way - with a very fast strum over the high strings while sliding up the neck. it's not that it's bad but it makes it apparent that the solos are tacked on, it's like ....and we're done. most of those are generic classic rock style leads too. again not bad, but not really as cool as the tracks where he either felt like he had more input at the time or was sober enough to come up with something aside from just winging it.

overall, as an old bastard reassessing a classic. i still like it, not as much as i did then, but would still totally recommend it to anyone. there are a few tracks i could do without, i'm surprised by how much 'funky monks' turned into a let down as time went on. it was the first tune i looked up when i finally got the tab book haha.

highlights
power of equality
righteous & the wicked
blood sugar sex magik
my lovely man
sir psycho sexy

lowlights
naked in the rain
funky monks
i could have lied
they're red hot


*fake edit* holy crap this is a lot longer than i thought.
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Old 04-20-2009, 05:56 AM   #23 (permalink)
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It's probably my favourite Peppers album, although that isn't saying a whole lot because I don't own any of their earlier stuff which is probably more up my alley than their later more pop orientated stuff.

A little tangent, but Achewood has been a little flat lately, generally too drawn out. Although I have to appreciate the massive Darlene throwback, I had totally forgotten about it until now.
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:06 AM   #24 (permalink)
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A little tangent, but Achewood has been a little flat lately, generally too drawn out. Although I have to appreciate the massive Darlene throwback, I had totally forgotten about it until now.
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:34 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I didn't like the Teodor and Vlad combo, but the the public wine definitely got a laugh from me, or more specifically.

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Old 04-20-2009, 08:29 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Thanks for writing that kick ass review Mr Dave. I was actually a little surprised that you were so enthusiastic about the album because I was under the impression that you felt the same way about it that I do. Nevertheless it was great to read and works as a great counterbalance to mine.

One particular comment of yours stood out for me:

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i noticed early on that a lot of frusciante's leads on this disc end the same way - with a very fast strum over the high strings while sliding up the neck. it's not that it's bad but it makes it apparent that the solos are tacked on, it's like ....and we're done. most of those are generic classic rock style leads too.
I think you've just hit upon my number one complaint about Blood Sugar Sex Magik: Frusciante. If you read up about the recording sessions for Mother's Milk, you hear a lot about how unhappy Frusciante is with the guitar style on that album because the producer kept forcing him to play heavier. You know what? The producer was right. He played so much better on a tighter leash and the second he had more freedom he started in with this cheeseball classic rock stuff that seems to be a driving force behind much of BSSM. It's weird, I remember reading an interview with Flea when One Hot Minute came out about how Dave Navarro had such a big influence on their sound on that album because he brought in a bunch of classic rock influence that until then they had thought of as super-cheesy, but really it seems like it was Frusciante who did that.

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'righteous & the wicked' - filler? really? i'm not following. it's like the only other track on the disc that tries to touch grey matter over pink flesh besides 'power of equality'. again another non-jam tune where the instrumental bit doesn't sound tacked on. i always thought it was badass when i was young but i just realized it's like a slightly altered version of the instrumental break from the last tune. only this one is hammer-ons instead of slides.
Since a couple people seemed so shocked that I'd describe "The Righteous and the Wicked" as filler I figure I'll address your comments about it specifically. So this listen was the first time you noticed its similarity to "Mellowship Slinky in B Major"? That's kind of surprising to me because it was the first thing that jumped out at me when I listened to it. And I have to disagree with your description of it as a non-jam tune. I have no idea what the writing process what like for the song but it sounds very much like a half-assed jam to me. That, in a nutshell, is what I don't like about it. Can someone explain to me what exactly it is that they like about this song? Because when I listen to it I hear a weak performance from everyone, and I find Chad Smith's drumming especially bland.
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Who is the second old bastard then?
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Mr. Dave. But if you want to write a review too we can make it three old bastards.
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It would be very similar to yours I.E me not likey!
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