Musicbanter Improvement Thread

[DwnWthVwls]

I'd like to know what JWB thinks about all this.

[Oriphiel]

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by Frownland

When it's your response to "stop the insults," that is indeed banworthy mate.

Considering though that he was not insulting you, but was taking issue with how you responded, I don't think it was fair. I mean, essentially he was doing the same thing I did, just phrasing it slightly differently. I think it would be disingenuous of you to deny that your personal dislike of/feud with Chula didn't have something to do with that.

You're reasonably voicing your opinions. I wouldn't ban you for that. Chula made things unnecessarily personal. I asked him not to do that. He did not comply. I banned him for that.

I appreciate that, actually. I half-expected to come here and find I was banned, which would have confirmed you had gone total Boo-Boo on us.

Originally Posted by grindy

You ****ing people can't be left alone for a minute.
****ing drama machine in here.

Come down out of that tree and say that.

Originally Posted by grindy

While I don't think we really need more mods, I'm somewhat tempted to put who gets to be a new mod up for vote. (Also put up for vote whether Frown stays one.)
Since I'm pretty sure that's not what the Administration would agree to, it's mostly just banter as for now.

Surely that doesn't matter? Mods have been made/unmade before. I don't see what the admins have to do with it?

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

What did I do exactly? I havent insulted or attacked anyone even jokingly.

Stop being so hyperbolic.

I was using you as an example of how silly it would be to ban me, or Chula, or anyone else. I didn't think you said anything untoward, I was just saying well if anyone raising any kind of dissenting opinion or the slightest, um, slight on another member qualifies as banworthy, you're in the firing line too. It was totally not what I would believe myself, and yes, in the context of what I saw happening, hype to the max.

Originally Posted by Akai

Jw, how long are their bans?

Personal questions will get you a ban!

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

What you and TH seem to be overlooking is the difference between a joke and a personal attack. If someone is joking with someone else and they are uncomfortable with the humor they need to express themselves maturely in the thread, report it to a mod, or take it to PMs. Jokes are not off limit, but they can sometimes go over the line if peoples feelings get hurt(which is what the mods should and do monitor for from what ive seen). The problem is the way members deal with it not the mod team.



Hi friend. I'm always eager to read your comments filled with utter disgust of us.

No, as I said, I have no problem being slagged off. Personal stuff doesn't bother me. Usually. Thanks to Batty I've learned to be more flexible and have had the stick surgically removed from up my arse. BUT sometimes it can go too far, and on those rare occasions it should be time for a mod to throw a bucket of ice water over the offenders and say "Knock it off, you two!"

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Biased af, if you ask me.

Banned.

Originally Posted by Akai

I foresaw this, and took the risk.

I didn't give enough of a monkeys to find a picture of one.

I actually though, on first glance, it was a picture of shit. Which would of course also have worked.


Oh, and Christ yes! Lisna! Why didn't I think of that? A perfect choice, perhaps THE perfect choice. Make it happen (if he wants it). You couldn't ask for a better mod in waiting.
#Lisna4Mod2018

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Considering though that he was not insulting you, but was taking issue with how you responded, I don't think it was fair.

He called him a douche and then edited it out.

See posts #1393 and #1394

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

He called him a douche and then edited it out.

See posts #1393 and #1394

OK, I didn't see that. But I've been called worse, and he's called people worse (Frownland that is). Look, if he wants to ban him, I guess that's his prerogative as a mod, but I'd be happier knowing it wasn't just because it was Chula, and that he was looking for an excuse. And we all know it was. It would have been better to have given him a few more warnings, with the last one being "I'm serious here" or something, then there could be no accusations of a rush to judgement.

Still, this sort of thing proves why you'd make a good mod.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Considering though that he was not insulting you, but was taking issue with how you responded, I don't think it was fair. I mean, essentially he was doing the same thing I did, just phrasing it slightly differently. I think it would be disingenuous of you to deny that your personal dislike of/feud with Chula didn't have something to do with that.

Let me just say that the 95% of the bad blood in our "feud" is on Chula's side. The 5% on my end is annoyance that he keeps dredging it up for no reason. I don't have anything against him and I'm never rude to him out of the blue, it's always because he's the one starting ****. Obviously something that I need to work on moving forward. And yes, phrasing is everything because it shows intent. You were respectful. He was not and continued to do so after being warned not to. He was then banned. This is after years of warnings not to personally attack people, so I considered my single warning to be adequate.

Maybe instead of viewing this in the context of my "feud" with Chula, people should consider viewing it within the context of Chula being abusive to virtually everybody on this forum.

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Let me just say that the 95% of the bad blood in our "feud" is all on Chula's side. I don't have anything against him and I'm never rude to him out of the blue, it's always because he's the one starting ****. And yes, phrasing is everything because it shows intent. You were respectful. He was not and continued to do so after being warned not to. He was then banned.

Maybe instead of viewing this in the context of my "feud" with Chula, people should consider viewing it within the context of Chula being abusive to virtually everybody on this forum.

I'm going to admit that's a fair point. I've spoken to him before about the things he says, but he never listens. Still, I would have been the bigger man and tried not to rise to it, at least not initially. After all, he can do nothing: you're the one with the power, and you know what Stan Lee said...

[DwnWthVwls]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

No, as I said, I have no problem being slagged off. Personal stuff doesn't bother me. Usually. Thanks to Batty I've learned to be more flexible and have had the stick surgically removed from up my arse. BUT sometimes it can go too far, and on those rare occasions it should be time for a mod to throw a bucket of ice water over the offenders and say "Knock it off, you two!"

Batlord/OH say the most "too far" jokes of every member.. The only difference is Batlord gets away with it because for whatever reason it's perceived differently by certain members, like yourself. As I said, people need to grow the **** up and express when they feel like a joke has gone to far(which you have done in the past BTW, which is why i used you as an example) WITHOUT acting like Chula and just throwing out personal attacks that aren't joking. We don't need mods deciding what is and isn't too far if the parties involved are not making an issue out of the things being said. Stop trying to justify Chula's behavior as a defense for jokes he couldn't take. If he doesn't like the jokes directed at him the correct response is not to tell people to **** off and call them *******s.

Originally Posted by Frownland

Maybe instead of viewing this in the context of my "feud" with Chula, people should consider viewing it within the context of Chula being abusive to virtually everybody on this forum.

I agree with this.

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Batlord/OH say the most "too far" jokes of every member.. The only difference is Batlord gets away with it because for whatever reason it's perceived differently by certain members, like yourself. As I said, people need to grow the **** up and express when they feel like a joke has gone to far(which you have done in the past BTW, which is why i used you as an example) WITHOUT acting like Chula and just throwing out personal attacks that aren't joking. We don't need mods deciding what is and isn't too far if the parties involved are not making an issue out of the things being said. Stop trying to justify Chula's behavior as a defense for jokes he couldn't take. If he doesn't like the jokes directed at him the correct response is not to tell people to **** off and call them *******s.

No, you're right. We all have a part to play, and as you say, using a "You send one of ours to the hospital, we send one of yours to the morgue" approach is not acceptable either. I really wouldn't have a problem with this ban if it had been anyone other than Frown wielding the hammer. Whether it's the case or not, that's always going to look like a personal vendetta. On both sides. Essentially, to take your own advice above, BOTH of them should grow the **** up, but I think the onus is more on the mod, as they are a) the ones expected to keep order and b) the only ones who can wield the hammer. But yeah, Chula needs to realise he can't do that stuff either and just get away with it.

I think with Batty it's a case of (he'll kill me but anyway) his heart is in the right place. He knows when he's gone too far (or when someone else has) and either pulls back or just grins at what's going on. I can think of few occasions where he really angered me (though there have been a few) but if he did, I usually took it to PM to say, basically, "really dude? Are you serious?" And most times he told me that no, he was not. If Chula and Frown (or Chula and anyone he offends or is seen to offend) were to do this, maybe we wouldn't have so much drama and maybe people wouldn't have to be banned.

Is someone going to bring Occulthawk a rabbit or something while he's banned? Don't want him starving on us.