Musicbanter Improvement Thread

[Freebase Dali]

Originally Posted by Jester

The reason he gave me was that it's easy to get by and that people "say it all the time."

"people say this all the time. its not going to happen and it doesnt matter either way because it is easily surpassable."

it makes a pretty obvious point if you ask me. Unless you think that the leadership on these boards really don't give a damn about what's requested, then it should be fairly obvious that the request has been returned as 'not gonna happen' a long time ago.

Just sayin'.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

I wonder if it'd be effective/reasonable to implement some sort of application process for joining the boards. I know it sounds ridiculous, but if new accounts were redirected to a form that was to be filled out, sent to, and looked over by moderators who would decide whether the member isn't here to spam, then that could be an effective first line of defense.
Members who's applications are approved would then be on a 'watch status' for a period of a week, and if they haven't screwed up by the end of it, they'd be full in.

The application wouldn't require personal information and all that... but just simply a form in which they explain why they want to join the site. It'd be sort of like when you post in the Member's Journal section and a mod has to approve it.

I know this sounds contradictory to the nature of a public web site, but really it's just preventative measures of control that are well within the discretion of moderators anyway, but are usually exercised after the fact.

I probably sound like big brother or something, but the idea just popped into my mind and I wanted to run it by someone who may be able to refine it if anyone feels there's any merit in it.

Getting back to this

This was suggested a good while back when we were having lots of problems with people starting extra accounts. The biggest sticking point was that vetting users and changing a users status isn't a moderator task, it's an admin task.
We did ask if it was possible to give one of the mods admin powers and that came back as a resounding no and the idea was dropped.

[Freebase Dali]

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Getting back to this

This was suggested a good while back when we were having lots of problems with people starting extra accounts. The biggest sticking point was that vetting users and changing a users status isn't a moderator task, it's an admin task.
We did ask if it was possible to give one of the mods admin powers and that came back as a resounding no and the idea was dropped.

Ah, makes sense then.
I really don't know much about the structure of the bulletin board software and how much control can actually be given to moderators, or whether individual privileges can be assigned at that level. There would have to be a new member filtering privilege for mod accounts for it to work without upgrading mod accounts to admin status... so I guess that answers my question, as I assume that's not a standard option in the software.

[right-track]

Giving a mod Admin powers was an issue I was discussing with Yac not all that long ago.
Basically it boils down to a question of trust and the issue wasn't off the agenda.

I don't think boo boo's rampage helped much there though.

[someonecompletelyrandom]

Originally Posted by right-track

Giving a mod Admin powers was an issue I was discussing with Yac not all that long ago.
Basically it boils down to a question of trust and the issue wasn't off the agenda.

I don't think boo boo's rampage helped much there though.

I don't think it's asking much if say, you, Right-Track were given Admin status. You've been a mod here for years haven't you?

Well I actually came on here to ask a question I was curious about, that's probably been asked before... how is this site in existence? I don't see any ads and the only 'higher authority' I've seen are Yac and somebody named Admin who I assume is the owner of the domain/hosting.

[right-track]

Originally Posted by Conan

I don't think it's asking much if say, you, Right-Track were given Admin status. You've been a mod here for years haven't you?

The previous Admin gregb was having non of it. Which was frustrating because he hardly visited the site and it took an age to get things done.
However, Yac visits here almost on a daily basis and is very responsive to suggestions etc and is willing to help out as much as possible, within reason.
Any larger issues and he refers the matter to Admin.
Generally speaking we don't need an Admin CP unless it's for controlling stuff that Yac is unable to do in the limited time he's logged on.
Also, there are areas of this site he never visits because of time restrictions and for dealing with issues like the one mentioned earlier and some I won't go into here, would be better dealt with by a more regular visitor.

I approached Yac about an Admin CP for the mods and his response wasn't negative. He agreed it would be of benefit. Ultimately it's up to Admin.
My long term plan was to have an Admin CP, not for myself, but to request that an alternative account be made and accessed by 2 or 3 long term and trusted moderators.

Nice one boo boo.

Originally Posted by Conan

Well I actually came on here to ask a question I was curious about, that's probably been asked before... how is this site in existence? I don't see any ads and the only 'higher authority' I've seen are Yac and somebody named Admin who I assume is the owner of the domain/hosting.

Probably through google searches. Every visitor here earns money for the site.
Other than that, I'm not sure.

[someonecompletelyrandom]

Originally Posted by right-track

Probably through google searches. Every visitor here earns money for the site.
Other than that, I'm not sure.

Well that makes sense I guess. We're the top result for "music forum" searches.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

"people say this all the time. its not going to happen and it doesnt matter either way because it is easily surpassable."

it makes a pretty obvious point if you ask me. Unless you think that the leadership on these boards really don't give a damn about what's requested, then it should be fairly obvious that the request has been returned as 'not gonna happen' a long time ago.

Just sayin'.

People say it all the time doesn't make for a good reason for something to not happen, and "it's not going to happen!" is not a good reason, either.

I understand that's it won't happen, now. I understand why, too. But those particular "reasons" aren't good ones at all.

[FaSho]

Originally Posted by Conan

Well that makes sense I guess. We're the top result for "music forum" searches.

That must be what's attracting all the untouchables.

[Freebase Dali]

Originally Posted by Jester

People say it all the time doesn't make for a good reason for something to not happen, and "it's not going to happen!" is not a good reason, either.

I understand that's it won't happen, now. I understand why, too. But those particular "reasons" aren't good ones at all.

So basically your case is that the reasons that work for everyone else in this forum don't work for you?

Those reasons don't even matter, because the decision that's already been made does not rely on those reasons. Those reasons are just truncated statements that result from a decision that's been made already. The reasons people give you can't always be tailored to whether you think they're 'good' or not.

If you were simply looking for a detailed explanation, then Caveman's reply should have prompted you to read a little further back in the thread instead of challenging him.
There has to be a little compromise with stuff like this, because people get tired of typing the same details over and over.
That's why you get shorthanded replies with stuff like that.