When Someone is Banned

crash_override · 06-12-2011, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I don't see the need to repeat the exact phrases used, cause more drama, and make a further spectacle out of the user that was victimized in the speech. I understand how this will satisfy curiosity, but I do not see it having any other positive impact.

The reality of this particular situation is that Dirty is a person known for his polarizing behaviour who has received previous warnings and consequences for his actions. He continued this behaviour, to an extent where it was bordering on harassment of another user. The last particular instance required intervention.

That's the long and short of it, without resorting to posting word for word the gratuitous insults that were used in the cited conversation.

Now we're getting somewhere. Thank you for a seemingly sincere and concerted effort. It doesn't paint a vivid picture, but it's a good start by MB standards.

Note I'm not saying the mods actions were/are unjust or unfair in this case, I would just like the opputunity to arrive at that opinion on my own, rather than having it handed to me.

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Generally speaking, it seems that if we give an inch, people will take a mile. Previously, it was stressed that all anyone wanted to know was length of ban and simple reason for it. Now we've been providing this information, yet it fails to satisfy. Honestly, the curiosity will only be fulfilled if you were witness to the incident while it took place, and short of that, nobody will feel comfortable or as if they understand everything that occurred.

Here's where we disagree, I don't believe in the hiding of information. We are not dogs, we shouldn't be expected to be happy with our dog treats while we watch you eat a steak (pardon the stupid analogy). Holding back facts and essentially sitting on pertinent inforamtion is obviously going to breed a certain level on distrust between mods and regular members. When you make it obvious that you're hiding certain facts, why wouldn't we assume you're hiding others as well?

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I'm not sure what you consider "proper procedure". We haven't hidden our method from anyone. We observe a number of incidents, and when they come to a peak, we come to a majority consensus and decide on an action to counter the offending behaviour. If you think there is a more professional way to handle things, I at least, am listening to the suggestion.

Okay so "proper procedure" may have been a little vague, but as Urban said earlier, I would consider banning people based on the current rules in place rather than making up new rules to accomidate old bannings to be a good start.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 06-12-2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

We are not dogs, we shouldn't be expected to be happy with our dog treats while we watch you eat a steak (pardon the stupid analogy.

I'm only going to focus on this small bit of it because I'm too tired to respond to the rest and this particular point irks me.

We're not eating steaks. We serve the forum, the forum doesn't serve us. Everything, absolutely everything, we do is out of interest to the good of the forum. I know you know this, but I don't think I can stress it enough honestly. Ever since I became a mod I noticed what a thankless job it really is. I'm happy to do it because I enjoy working with the team and love MusicBanter, but I'm not getting any perks. Neither is anyone else. (Besides the bigger inbox space... but mine is still always filled up. I'm just a popular guy

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crash_override · 06-12-2011, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Conan

I'm only going to focus on this small bit of it because I'm too tired to respond to the rest and this particular point irks me.

We're not eating steaks. We serve the forum, the forum doesn't serve us. Everything, absolutely everything, we do is out of interest to the good of the forum. I know you know this, but I don't think I can stress it enough honestly. Ever since I became a mod I noticed what a thankless job it really is. I'm happy to do it because I enjoy working with the team and love MusicBanter, but I'm not getting any perks. Neither is anyone else. (Besides the bigger inbox space... but mine is still always filled up. I'm just a popular guy

)

That statement was meant towards the wealth of information, and how it is given to us on a limited and controlled basis. It had no bearing on the leisure or luxury of modship. I knew it was a terrible analogy.

My point was, I'm expected to be satisfied with a nibble of truth, when you are given a multitude of facts on which to base your stance on an issue.

Paedantic Basterd · 06-12-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

Here's where we disagree, I don't believe in the hiding of information. We are not dogs, we shouldn't be expected to be happy with our dog treats while we watch you eat a steak (pardon the stupid analogy). Holding back facts and essentially sitting on pertinent inforamtion is obviously going to breed a certain level on distrust between mods and regular members. When you make it obvious that you're hiding certain facts, why wouldn't we assume you're hiding others as well?

The withholding of facts is meant to take focus off of the banned and the victim, re-direct it on staff, and ultimately reduce the amount of inevitable drama. Other than you being curious and mistrusting, revealing information will solve literally nothing. It will extend the distress of the person who was verbally abused, it will increase the infamy of the user who was banned, and it will open up a massive can of worms amongst all users as to whether or not it was "fair", because everyone has a different opinion subjected to their bias for or against other users. All I am seeing is gossip, and nothing beneficial can come from increasing the drama. Publicizing information can also negatively effect the person who was abused, and that's another excellent reason not to share all the details.

Burning Down · 06-12-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin

you said, that, not me.
and fyi, the mod that i said i really hated is not conan.

I think she was being a little sarcastic with that comment. Conan is a nice guy! And by the way, who are you talking about? Just like you guys want to know all the details about someone's banning, I want to know which mod you hate

. Even though neither will solve anything, really.

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

The withholding of facts is meant to take focus off of the banned and the victim, re-direct it on staff, and ultimately reduce the amount of inevitable drama. Other than you being curious and mistrusting, revealing information will solve literally nothing. It will extend the distress of the person who was verbally abused, it will increase the infamy of the user who was banned, and it will open up a massive can of worms amongst all users as to whether or not it was "fair", because everyone has a different opinion subjected to their bias for or against other users. All I am seeing is gossip, and nothing beneficial can come from increasing the drama. Publicizing information can also negatively effect the person who was abused, and that's another excellent reason not to share all the details.

I love this post.

FETCHER. · 06-13-2011, 02:25 PM

In the 1 year 10months I have been a regular member of this forum, the strongest thing I've learned about the majority of the people who post here is that the forum is full to the gunnels of bitchy, moaning faced bastards. Get a fucking life already. A troll got banned, I'm sure you could stir up some irl drama instead.

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Originally Posted by duga

I completely agree with you. You have to understand, each mod has a different idea of what is appropriate to tell and what isn't. A certain level of discretion is preferred just because it might actually be embarrassing to the person who was banned. I'm not saying this is the case with Dirty, but we want to at least try to be consistent. Obviously, that is harder than it sounds.

I think that's what we were going for initially. I even think this would have worked if it wasn't someone with a reputation like Dirty. Oh well, it happened.

Please, if someones biggest problem in life is the embarrassment of getting infracted/banned on a forum then I have a sentence of advice. Get out of the fucking house, mate.